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| Posted by: GTR8000 | Posts: 190
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Darkstar350 wrote ...
I dont get why they would bother licensing a bunch of freqs if they were just going to cancel them anyway
Seems like a waste
A waste of what? If they don't use them, the frequencies will return to the pool for Region 8 for use by other agencies, no big deal.
Keep in mind that the MTA was one of the first in the region to license 700 MHz spectrum. They started the process of obtaining all of those licenses back in July 2010, with the licenses finally granted in March 2012. That may as well have been a lifetime ago, and was well before they were able to work out a sharing agreement with NYS to use some of the state's SL frequencies.
There are technical reasons why the MTA would not want to use those SY license frequencies, instead choosing to use the state's SL frequencies. For one, the MTA was not able to originally license any 700 MHz frequencies in Rockland, due to the county having already laid claim to all 10 allocated frequencies in Rockland for the county system. That meant that the MTA could not easily create a Rockland/Orange simulcast cell for Zone 4 using the same frequencies, and was going to be forced to use some 800 MHz frequencies in Rockland instead. The state frequencies also don't have nearly as many restrictions on their usage as far as where they can be used, output power, etc.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 17 2020, 07:53pm | |
| Posted by: Darkstar350 | Posts: 811
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GTR8000 wrote ... Darkstar350 wrote ...
I dont get why they would bother licensing a bunch of freqs if they were just going to cancel them anyway
Seems like a waste
A waste of what? If they don't use them, the frequencies will return to the pool for Region 8 for use by other agencies, no big deal. Keep in mind that the MTA was one of the first in the region to license 700 MHz spectrum. They started the process of obtaining all of those licenses back in July 2010, with the licenses finally granted in March 2012. That may as well have been a lifetime ago, and was well before they were able to work out a sharing agreement with NYS to use some of the state's SL frequencies. There are technical reasons why the MTA would not want to use those SY license frequencies, instead choosing to use the state's SL frequencies. For one, the MTA was not able to originally license any 700 MHz frequencies in Rockland, due to the county having already laid claim to all 10 allocated frequencies in Rockland for the county system. That meant that the MTA could not easily create a Rockland/Orange simulcast cell for Zone 4 using the same frequencies, and was going to be forced to use some 800 MHz frequencies in Rockland instead. The state frequencies also don't have nearly as many restrictions on their usage as far as where they can be used, output power, etc. Things happen for a reason, even if they are not readily apparent on the surface.
Makes sense i guess
And yes i do recall seeing the MTA trunk licenses for quite some time
So perhaps operations in areas like Staten Island would continue on Metro25 and being that both systems are actually linked somehow there should be no problems if there is a need to switch to other talkgroups and whatnot
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| Posted: Tue Feb 18 2020, 09:54pm | |
| Posted by: GTR8000 | Posts: 190
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As predicted, all 17 of the MTA's SY licenses have entered the termination pending status for failure to build out. If the MTA doesn't file a petition for reconsideration within 30 days, the licenses will be automatically terminated and they'll have to reapply for all of that spectrum. Seems unlikely, as they have obviously moved forward using only the state's allocation of 700 spectrum.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19 2020, 03:35am | |
| Posted by: Darkstar350 | Posts: 811
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As with any crowded spectrum - as 700mhz becomes more and more crowded the agencies will need to make sure their freqs do not have much nearby interference/shared channels
Also im not sure if its just me but it seems that since MRRS has been on the air Metro25 has been a bit more active and better signal?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 19 2020, 05:02am | |
| Posted by: LIScanner101 | Posts: 384
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Darkstar350 wrote ...
As with any crowded spectrum - as 700mhz becomes more and more crowded the agencies will need to make sure their freqs do not have much nearby interference/shared channels
Also im not sure if its just me but it seems that since MRRS has been on the air Metro25 has been a bit more active and better signal?
To your last point, yes, I agree, they’ve been VERY active and I have no problems picking them up in my home office in Hicksville with a PRO-668 and a Shure 700/800 duck. |
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28 2020, 04:31pm | |
| Posted by: campd715 | Posts: 14
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Running DSDPlus from Southeastern CT and I'm receiving the P25 MRRS system.
Site:91FE8.26E-21.21 MTA PD Zone 1 (Nassau & Suffolk)
This system is new to me so I was looking for some insight from some of you who might be more familiar with the MTA PD so that I may be a more informed listener/contributor.
I'd like to start IDing subscriber RID's and talkgroups by assigning aliases (names) to them.
So far I've seen:
TG 9032 RID's 420xxxx range
TG 9048 RID's 420xxxx range
TG 6026 RID's 682xxxx range
Any help and/or suggestions welcomed.
Best to everyone and please stay safe.
Dennis
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| Posted: Sat Mar 28 2020, 05:36pm | |
| Posted by: LIScanner101 | Posts: 384
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| Are we “allowed” to post RID’s on Phil’s site out in the open? I have thousands of RIDs I’ve accumulated from various sites and I always thought we weren’t “allowed” to share them here. |
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29 2020, 12:36pm | |
| Posted by: campd715 | Posts: 14
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A follow-up to my above post.
Introduction: I've been a radio / scanner enthusiast for many years and had joined Phil's site back in 2011. I thought that this site had closed up shop a long time ago and it wasn't until yesterday when I learned differently.
Purpose of post: I'm just looking for a little assistance with the MRRS system (MTA PD) to help me get started understanding and enjoying this system as I've never monitored them before until just recently when I started receiving their CC signal for zone 1.
The following are a few questions I have:
What do the name designations mean such as: 2-ADAM, 2-CHARLIE, 2-GEORGE, 2- HENRY, etc? Does the preceding number indicate district?
Are the RID ranges separated for those assigned to mobiles and those assigned to portables?
Are they assigned their own portables or do they grab any available one from the rack?
Any assistance with identified talkgroups would be nice.
Finally, if any of this is not appropriate for public posting on this site let me know.
Please feel free to send me a private message or to my email (available in profile).
Thanks again
Dennis
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29 2020, 07:13pm | |
| Posted by: Dave3825us | Posts: 1238
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Read thru this thread here [link]
Lots of info and zone break down.
@ campd715 where are you located? Later I will look at your rid's and comment on that later . I logged a bunch for Long Island but dont have the ranges in front of me at the moment.
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| Posted: Sun Mar 29 2020, 07:42pm | |
| Posted by: campd715 | Posts: 14
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Thanks for the reply Dave.
I'm located in South Eastern CT and only recently started seeing / hearing voice traffic on their P25 system.
I will definitely check out the link you so kindly provided.
Dennis
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