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Posted: Fri Jan 17 2020, 06:37pm

Posted by: GTR8000Posts: 112
Joined: Fri Nov 25 2016, 07:07am

Darkstar350 wrote ...

I dont get why they would bother licensing a bunch of freqs if they were just going to cancel them anyway
Seems like a waste

A waste of what? If they don't use them, the frequencies will return to the pool for Region 8 for use by other agencies, no big deal.

Keep in mind that the MTA was one of the first in the region to license 700 MHz spectrum. They started the process of obtaining all of those licenses back in July 2010, with the licenses finally granted in March 2012. That may as well have been a lifetime ago, and was well before they were able to work out a sharing agreement with NYS to use some of the state's SL frequencies.

There are technical reasons why the MTA would not want to use those SY license frequencies, instead choosing to use the state's SL frequencies. For one, the MTA was not able to originally license any 700 MHz frequencies in Rockland, due to the county having already laid claim to all 10 allocated frequencies in Rockland for the county system. That meant that the MTA could not easily create a Rockland/Orange simulcast cell for Zone 4 using the same frequencies, and was going to be forced to use some 800 MHz frequencies in Rockland instead. The state frequencies also don't have nearly as many restrictions on their usage as far as where they can be used, output power, etc.

Things happen for a reason, even if they are not readily apparent on the surface.
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Posted: Fri Jan 17 2020, 07:53pm
Posted by: Darkstar350Posts: 664
Location: Central Nassau
Joined: Mon Aug 18 2014, 10:57pm

GTR8000 wrote ...

Darkstar350 wrote ...

I dont get why they would bother licensing a bunch of freqs if they were just going to cancel them anyway
Seems like a waste

A waste of what? If they don't use them, the frequencies will return to the pool for Region 8 for use by other agencies, no big deal.

Keep in mind that the MTA was one of the first in the region to license 700 MHz spectrum. They started the process of obtaining all of those licenses back in July 2010, with the licenses finally granted in March 2012. That may as well have been a lifetime ago, and was well before they were able to work out a sharing agreement with NYS to use some of the state's SL frequencies.

There are technical reasons why the MTA would not want to use those SY license frequencies, instead choosing to use the state's SL frequencies. For one, the MTA was not able to originally license any 700 MHz frequencies in Rockland, due to the county having already laid claim to all 10 allocated frequencies in Rockland for the county system. That meant that the MTA could not easily create a Rockland/Orange simulcast cell for Zone 4 using the same frequencies, and was going to be forced to use some 800 MHz frequencies in Rockland instead. The state frequencies also don't have nearly as many restrictions on their usage as far as where they can be used, output power, etc.

Things happen for a reason, even if they are not readily apparent on the surface.


Makes sense i guess
And yes i do recall seeing the MTA trunk licenses for quite some time

So perhaps operations in areas like Staten Island would continue on Metro25 and being that both systems are actually linked somehow there should be no problems if there is a need to switch to other talkgroups and whatnot
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Posted: Tue Feb 18 2020, 09:54pm

Posted by: GTR8000Posts: 112
Joined: Fri Nov 25 2016, 07:07am

As predicted, all 17 of the MTA's SY licenses have entered the termination pending status for failure to build out. If the MTA doesn't file a petition for reconsideration within 30 days, the licenses will be automatically terminated and they'll have to reapply for all of that spectrum. Seems unlikely, as they have obviously moved forward using only the state's allocation of 700 spectrum.

[ Edited Tue Feb 18 2020, 09:59pm ]
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Posted: Wed Feb 19 2020, 03:35am
Posted by: Darkstar350Posts: 664
Location: Central Nassau
Joined: Mon Aug 18 2014, 10:57pm

As with any crowded spectrum - as 700mhz becomes more and more crowded the agencies will need to make sure their freqs do not have much nearby interference/shared channels

Also im not sure if its just me but it seems that since MRRS has been on the air Metro25 has been a bit more active and better signal?
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Posted: Wed Feb 19 2020, 05:02am
Posted by: LIScanner101Posts: 358
Location: Hicksville, NY
Joined: Sun Jun 16 2013, 09:29pm

Darkstar350 wrote ...

As with any crowded spectrum - as 700mhz becomes more and more crowded the agencies will need to make sure their freqs do not have much nearby interference/shared channels

Also im not sure if its just me but it seems that since MRRS has been on the air Metro25 has been a bit more active and better signal?



To your last point, yes, I agree, they’ve been VERY active and I have no problems picking them up in my home office in Hicksville with a PRO-668 and a Shure 700/800 duck.
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