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NCFD 4th Batallion encrypted on the 500MHz TRS system?

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Print View Posted: Mon Jun 24 2019, 05:50pm
Posted by: LIScanner101Posts: 337
Location: Hicksville, NY
Joined: Sun Jun 16 2013, 09:29pm

Today, for the first time in like forever, my Uniden scanner picked up activity on TGID 4004. However, there was no audio. My BCD396XT will mute audio if it's from an encrypted source, so it seems it was. However, I thought this was a non-encrypted channel? Does anyone know if fire comms will all be encrypted on this 500MHz system?
FWIW, all MEDCOM and fire marshall stuff is still in the clear.

Thanks.




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Posted: Tue Jun 25 2019, 12:39am

Posted by: GTR8000Posts: 86
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Before jumping to any conclusions, ask yourself the following:

a) how many transmissions occurred?
b) what was the duration of each transmission?
c) was it the same user ID for each transmission?
d) over what span of time was this activity occurring?

It could've just been someone keying up a radio without saying anything.
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Posted: Tue Jun 25 2019, 07:12pm
Posted by: LIScanner101Posts: 337
Location: Hicksville, NY
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a) Four.
b) Only about 5-6 seconds each for a couple, the other two about 20 seconds.
c) Unfortunately I did not take note of the RID.
d) They all occurred within a couple of minutes of each other.
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Posted: Tue Jun 25 2019, 09:06pm

Posted by: GTR8000Posts: 86
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Hmm, at this point I'd lean more towards key ups without saying anything. Further observation required before reaching a conclusion.
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Posted: Wed Jun 26 2019, 01:38pm
Posted by: Dave3825usPosts: 826
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I loaded up this system yesterday when I saw this post and have not seen any activity since then and now @ 9 35 am. I did that because I have many rid's logged and labeled and could have maybe at least narrowed it down from rid. I will leave it running and see what happens. What time did this take place?
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Posted: Thu Jun 27 2019, 05:11am

Posted by: PFD MikePosts: 396
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I'm pretty sure that the battalion talkgroups are not encrypted.
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Posted: Fri Jun 28 2019, 03:22am
Posted by: LIScanner101Posts: 337
Location: Hicksville, NY
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Dave3825us wrote ...

I loaded up this system yesterday when I saw this post and have not seen any activity since then and now @ 9 35 am. I did that because I have many rid's logged and labeled and could have maybe at least narrowed it down from rid. I will leave it running and see what happens. What time did this take place?


I’ll have to guess, but I think it was around 11AM.

I haven’t seen any activity on any NCFD battalion channels since then. Just MEDCOM, fire marshall and FD ambulance/EMT comms.
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Posted: Fri Jun 28 2019, 12:07pm
Posted by: emfd57Posts: 108
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The only encryption i think on Nassau 500 is only pd. Ask someone to do a sig 15 with a 500 radio and see what happens.
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