New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Jun 15 2015, 01:14pm


Starting a new thread on the site to keep track of any changes in status to the new Suffolk County Trunk system.

This is to be used as an Observational thread, not something for rumors.
In other words - don't post stuff you haven't heard or noticed with your own two ears or eyes 


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Jun 15 2015, 01:15pm


w2lie wrote ...
Licenses in the FCC database have been updated and reflect P25 Phase II


SY WQVX713
SUFFOLK, COUNTY OF
[THE APPLICANT IS A GOVERMNENT ENTITY]
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPT.30 YAPHANK AVE, YAPHANK NY 631-852-6439
(link)
06/09/2015 License Issued
1 - HAMPTON PARK, EDGE OF WOODS RD OFF MAJORS PATH, HAMPTON PARK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 61.0m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 49.4m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 61.0m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 49.4m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 53e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
2 - HAUPPAUGE, NORTH SERVICE ROAD OF L.I.E. 500 WEST RT 111& 2000 E OF SIM, HAUPPAUGE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 109.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 22.6m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 109.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 22.6m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
3 - MOUNT MISERY, MOUNT MISEY RD @ NORTHERN STATE PKY .25 MI E OF EXIT 9, MELVILLE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 70.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 70.0°, HAAT: 125.9m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 70.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 70.0°, HAAT: 125.9m]
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 15p 25e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
4 - SUFFOLK HILLS, COUNTY PARKLAND NW CR 51 E OF HOT WATER ST, CALVERTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 42.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 180.0°, Gain: 8.0dBi, Azimuth: 70.0°, HAAT: 51.3m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 42.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 180.0°, Gain: 8.0dBi, Azimuth: 70.0°, HAAT: 51.3m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 25p 27e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
5 - YAPHANK, 30 YAPHANK AVE, YAPHANK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 60.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 70.0°, HAAT: -4.4m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 60.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 70.0°, HAAT: -4.4m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 100p 128e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
6 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.30625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
800.50625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.08125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.58125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.95625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.28125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.91875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
803.65625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
804.15625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
 
 
SY WQVX716
SUFFOLK, COUNTY OF
[THE APPLICANT IS A GOVERMNENT ENTITY]
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT, YAPHANK NY 631-852-6439
(link)
06/09/2015 License Issued
1 - NOYACK, 507 MIDDLE LINE HIGHWAY (088143), SAG HARBOR (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 65.5m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 65.5m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
2 - SOUTHHAMPTON PD HQ, 95 JACKSON AVE, SOUTHAMPTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 10.3m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 10.3m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 87p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 87p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 87p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 87p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 87p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 87p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 87p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
3 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.51875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.09375 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.96875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.29375 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.90625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
803.66875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
804.16875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
 


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Jun 15 2015, 03:13pm

Each license has its own set of 700mhz as well as 800mhz freqs. Is one going to be for data?



SY WQVX713
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPT.30 YAPHANK AVE, YAPHANK NY 631-852-6439
1 - HAMPTON PARK, EDGE OF WOODS RD OFF MAJORS PATH, HAMPTON PARK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
2 - HAUPPAUGE, NORTH SERVICE ROAD OF L.I.E. 500 WEST RT 111& 2000 E OF SIM, HAUPPAUGE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower
3 - MOUNT MISERY, MOUNT MISEY RD @ NORTHERN STATE PKY .25 MI E OF EXIT 9, MELVILLE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (
4 - SUFFOLK HILLS, COUNTY PARKLAND NW CR 51 E OF HOT WATER ST, CALVERTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
5 - YAPHANK, 30 YAPHANK AVE, YAPHANK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)

770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)


6 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.30625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
800.50625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.08125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.58125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.95625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.28125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.91875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
803.65625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
804.15625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)





SY WQVX716
1 - NOYACK, 507 MIDDLE LINE HIGHWAY (088143), SAG HARBOR (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
2 - SOUTHHAMPTON PD HQ, 95 JACKSON AVE, SOUTHAMPTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)


770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)

3 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.51875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.09375 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.96875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.29375 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.90625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
803.66875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
804.16875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Thu Jul 23 2015, 05:22pm

im receiving something which appears to be data at 774.3075 (frequency seems to be centered here).
on the BCD996XT it flashes "DAT" in the display but i hear nothing.
no information is available on the FCC website either.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Thu Jul 23 2015, 06:35pm


If you program in a P25 system into a GRE series radio (Or PRO Radio), you should be able to see the WACN and SYS Id. I'm not sure if that information is dumped to a Uniden Display.

You might be able to program a P25 system into the Uniden, then set the CC Output On (not Extended), and hook the data port to Pro96Com or Unitrunker. You will get the same detailed information.    You can then query the WACN info and see who owns the system.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jul 24 2015, 05:49pm

I did not see 774.3075 listed as part of the freqs Suffolk was granted. Does this freq have anything to do with the Suffolk Trs?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Tue Jul 28 2015, 03:22am

whatever it was that was operating at that frequency is no longer there.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 19 2015, 02:04am

Seems Suffolk got 2 more licenses.

WQWS815

WQWS812

and the first 2

WQVX713
WQVX716


SY WQWS812
SUFFOLK, COUNTY OF
[THE APPLICANT IS A GOVERMNENT ENTITY]
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPT., 30 YAPHANK AVE., YAPHANK NY 631-852-6436
(link)
11/09/2015 License Issued
1 - AMAGANSETT, F.D., MONTAUK HWY (#274398), AMAGANSETT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Pole] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 180.0°, Gain: 8.0dBi, Azimuth: 35.0°, HAAT: 42.2m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 180.0°, Gain: 8.0dBi, Azimuth: 35.0°, HAAT: 42.2m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
2 - EAST HAMPTON TWR, MONTAUK HIGHWAY, EAST HAMPTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Guyed] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 38.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 12.0dBi, Azimuth: 350.0°, HAAT: 47.8m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 38.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 12.0dBi, Azimuth: 350.0°, HAAT: 47.8m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
3 - GREENPORT, GREENPORT WATER DISTRICT, GREENPOINT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 150.0°, HAAT: 48.2m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 150.0°, HAAT: 48.2m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
4 - JAMESPORT, N OF SOUND AVE & E OF HERRICKS LN, JAMESPORT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 61.0m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 30.4°, HAAT: 70.6m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 61.0m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 30.4°, HAAT: 70.6m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
5 - MONTAUK GATOR, MONTAUK GATOR SITE, MONTAUK GATOR (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Utility pole] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 240.0°, HAAT: 68.3m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 240.0°, HAAT: 69.3m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
6 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.51875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.09375 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.96875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.29375 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.90625 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
803.66875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
804.16875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)


SY WQWS815
SUFFOLK, COUNTY OF
[THE APPLICANT IS A GOVRTNMENT ENTITY]
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPT., 30 YAPHANK AVE., YAPHANK NY 631-852-6439
(link)
11/09/2015 License Issued
1 - EAST PORT, 21 UNION STREET, EASTPORT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Monopole] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 24.4m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 19.9m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 24.4m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 19.9m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
2 - FARMINGVILLE, END OF FOXBORO AVE BERKSHIRE DR, FARMINGVILLE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 33.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 67.7m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 33.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 67.7m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
3 - NORTHPORT VA HOSP, NORTHPORT VA HOSPITAL SUFFOLK COUNTY, NORTHPORT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Tank] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 58.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 160.0°, HAAT: 79.0m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 58.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 160.0°, HAAT: 79.0m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
4 - STONY BROOK HOSPITAL, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL AT STONY BROOK, STONY BROOK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Building with antenna on top] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 42.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 68.2m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 42.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 68.2m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
5 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.30625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
800.50625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.08125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.58125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.95625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.28125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.91875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
803.65625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
804.15625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Dec 04 2015, 07:18pm

If they are flashing some of the radios as mentioned in the story below, will those radios have new radio id numbers?




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Sun Dec 06 2015, 02:46pm

There's that encryption word again. Hopefully it won't be all channels.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Apr 07 2016, 03:34am

The System is on the air. Current control channel is 773.65625.Not all the sites are online at this time. WACN BEEE00 sysid 3CE. More site will be coming online within the next couple days

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
swker98, Sun Apr 10 2016, 03:43am

That CC is silent in Western Nassau right now, maybe too far.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Apr 11 2016, 03:56pm

The melville site doesn't appear to be up yet. I'm not sure if im picking up the pd hq site or the hauppauge site. Both sites are within 7-8 miles of my location.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Apr 11 2016, 09:31pm

Control Channel changed to 772.9187. Talk group 6256 is the Command Band from the 800mhz system. only appears to be active during business hours.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 15 2016, 02:14pm

Just heard radio shop doing testing on the utac interop channels and proscan shows someone made a few comms on the utac 800 also...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Apr 16 2016, 02:44am

It appears only the yaphank pd hq site is active at this time .

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 18 2016, 07:53pm

Been hearing testing all day on Nys Parks Pd tg. Also unable to receive a cc today...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Apr 20 2016, 10:12pm






Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Thu Apr 21 2016, 01:37am

Dave, are you picking this up in Western Suffolk or is this near Yaphank?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 21 2016, 11:15am

That was taken in East Islip.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 28 2016, 05:30pm

Had to go to Stony brook today. The cc was strongest for me using my 436 around sayville bowl in sayville . Lost signal on Nichols road at 495. I dont think the seldon/farmingville site is up . After looking at the locations on the map for the freqs being used, it has to be hauppauge .

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed May 25 2016, 02:11pm

omitted

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed May 25 2016, 04:22pm

band plan for CC 772.91875Mhz.


i have to say, the audio quality sounds terrible for P25, i hope it eventually gets better.
only have been hearing the 3rd PCT on 6257.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Thu May 26 2016, 11:49pm

Been getting more and more hits on 700mhz lately
So far i have the following:
770.1687
770.4187
770.9437
773.0687
774.0562
774.3437
774.8812

Not sure if these have anything to do with the new Suffolk system - they sound like possibly data/control channel then again im picking this up on a 996xt which is not Phase 2 capable
I ran a few searches on these and the only freqs i came up with are 774.3437 is part of the NYC system and 774.8812 is for the Westchester system
Didnt find any of the other freqs for the entire country...


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
k2epm, Fri May 27 2016, 02:38am

OH.... I didn't know they were getting a new system. Make me long for the days of VHF....I guess that's been 20 years ago now.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jun 03 2016, 05:01pm

elitedata wrote ...

band plan for CC 772.91875Mhz.


i have to say, the audio quality sounds terrible for P25, i hope it eventually gets better.
only have been hearing the 3rd PCT on 6257.


Where are you scanning from? I am in the 3rd pct and I have to struggle to get any reception. I wonder if the 3rd pct units are actually using any new radios or if the are just broadcasting the 3rd onto the new system..


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Fri Jun 03 2016, 05:39pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

elitedata wrote ...

band plan for CC 772.91875Mhz.


i have to say, the audio quality sounds terrible for P25, i hope it eventually gets better.
only have been hearing the 3rd PCT on 6257.


Where are you scanning from? I am in the 3rd pct and I have to struggle to get any reception. I wonder if the 3rd pct units are actually using any new radios or if the are just broadcasting the 3rd onto the new system..


im receiving from hampton bays with a decent signal (roof top commercial 700/800Mhz high gain omnidirectional/LMR400 coax/10dB amp) but it does not appear to be coming from a local tower in this area, the signal is far too weak for decent portable reception despite the fact i am using a custom made high gain 700Mhz portable antenna.
i would like to know where the transmission is originating from for 772.918.7Mhz since at this point it appears to be a single transmission and not multiple simulcasts as detailed on the FCC license page.
if anyone could provide signal stats as to how well 772.918.7Mhz is being received in their area on a portable radio or desktop radio without an external antenna, it would be appreciated.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Jun 03 2016, 06:34pm

elitedata,

What do you mean by "772.918.7 MHz"? That's not a valid frequency format.

Do you mean 772.91870 or maybe 772.91875?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Jun 03 2016, 06:39pm

Never mind - I see above where you referenced 772.91875.

Have you picked up any site ID info!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Sat Jun 04 2016, 12:47pm

LIScanner101 wrote ...

Never mind - I see above where you referenced 772.91875.

Have you picked up any site ID info!

yes.
its the same info as my previous post where i heard only the third precinct.
i dont think they were using the new radio system, i believe it was just being rebroadcast.
since my posting yesterday, i have heard no voice activity but the control channel has been up and running.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Sun Jun 05 2016, 08:04pm

today @ 1600, finally heard comms to what appears to be the third PCT being re-broadcast - ID is 6257
and at 1615, back to silence

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Sun Jun 05 2016, 08:52pm

Thanks for all the comms info guys.

Is there a defined band plan and frequencies verified yet? I'm a hardware scanner guy...

Thanks.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Mon Jun 06 2016, 06:08pm

LIScanner101 wrote ...

Thanks for all the comms info guys.

Is there a defined band plan and frequencies verified yet? I'm a hardware scanner guy...

Thanks.

at this point, i am keeping a log of every frequency being used for the control channel.
todays CC frequency is 772.2812.5 Mhz.
the same rebroadcast of the 3rd PCT @ ID 6257 or just silence with an idle CC

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Jun 06 2016, 07:18pm


LIScanner101 wrote ...
Is there a defined band plan and frequencies verified yet?


You shouldn't need a bandplan.  All of that information is transmitted over the data channel.  The scanner should be able to just listen to the control channel and figure out where to go from there.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Mon Jun 06 2016, 07:47pm

w2lie wrote ...


<div>
LIScanner101 wrote ...
Is there a defined band plan and frequencies verified yet?
<br /><br />You shouldn't need a bandplan.  All of that information is transmitted over the data channel.  The scanner should be able to just listen to the control channel and figure out where to go from there.</div>


assuming these freqs below will be the CC's for the time being though it may be subject to change.
772.28125
772.91875
773.65625
774.15625


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jun 07 2016, 03:47pm

Still confused as to why it its the 3rd pct instead of units in the yapank area. I am in the third and have to use an amp to pull that site in...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Jun 08 2016, 02:21am

right now the only activity on the system is the 3rd prct being patched over from the 800mhz system. The only time the patch is active is when a radio from tech services affiliates with the new system. However this maybe changing in the near future. the mount misery site is now active.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed Jun 08 2016, 01:05pm

thehawk wrote ...

right now the only activity on the system is the 3rd prct being patched over from the 800mhz system. The only time the patch is active is when a radio from tech services affiliates with the new system. However this maybe changing in the near future. the mount misery site is now active.

so to answer my original question, being that the system is still in building/testing phase and not all CC radio sites are up and running at once, the current CC transmission is coming from that location in MT Misery ?
i dont know member "Dave3825us" location but judging from his response, i would say it appears only one or two radio sites are up and active at the moment unless other members can gauge other site locations that are active.
so if this is indeed true, then the antenna/amplifier setup i have here would be working quite well for that distance (RT 110 & NSP to my receiver location in hampton bays) however, i have doubts that i would actually be receiving that radio site from that far of a location though i am able to receive P25 800Mhz CT state police as well as NJ power trunk system and some low powered single trunk systems in suffolk originating from the bald hill site.
i believe what i am receiving is most likely originating from yaphank or from manorville.
basically, im trying to gauge my reception performance from my location.
i dont remember the manufacturer name or exact gain but its a omnidirectional dual band 700/800Mhz high gain antenna used in commercial applications (used on towers), quite the large and heavy antenna requiring special large steel mounting brackets, not exactly the easiest to mount to my chimney due to the weight and size but it appears to work quite well.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Jun 08 2016, 09:52pm

By my location the only sites up are mt misery and pd hq in yaphank. Selden and hauppauge sites should be going online soon. im not sure which east end sites are online.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jun 09 2016, 05:21pm

My location is East Islip. What are these small trunked system on bald hill you speak of?



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Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Thu Jun 09 2016, 07:28pm

thehawk wrote ...

By my location the only sites up are mt misery and pd hq in yaphank. Selden and hauppauge sites should be going online soon. im not sure which east end sites are online.

according to the license info, there is supposed to be more east end sites in and around the area of the north and south forks extending to the points respectively, than on the current analog system, where there was only i believe 3 at the most between the north and south forks - i had mapped out the exact locations of all the current system sites and posted the KMZ file for google earth in this forum.
the old system never had a site in or around montauk, so this should be interesting to see once the site(s) are online - i would also expect east hampton PD which has their own site and analog trunking system to be "somewhat" inter-operable with the new system once its online in the area.
i dont believe any east end sites are up and running at the moment since the signal strength i am receiving at this point is marginal on the portable but good on the desktop.
the current analog system has good signal on the portable and excellent signal on the desktop.
using the BCD996P2 on the P25 system, the quality of the sound is quite poor and reminiscent of the sound quality of the "early" cell digital audio phone days.
not sure if this is a by-product of the receivers P25 decoder or the way they are patching in the third PCT or a combo of both but either way, i dont like the sound.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jun 26 2016, 02:38pm

Anyone know what todays cc is? Saw yesterday that in east farmingdale the signal was very strong. Cant find a working cc today.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Jun 26 2016, 05:26pm

773.6562 is the control channel as of 13:25hrs. Also the hauppaugue site is now online. still waiting for selden to come online.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Tylerhav, Thu Aug 25 2016, 12:07am

Hello!

Any new Info?

Thanks

Tyler.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 25 2016, 04:43am

Looking at the licenses for the 700 MHz system WQVX713 for the following locations Hampton Park, Hauppauge, Melville, Calverton, Yaphank, build out was completed 05/10/2016. WQWS815 for the following locations Eastport, Farmingville, Northport, Stony Brook and WQWS812 for the following locations Amagansett, East Hampton, Greenpoint, Jamesport, Montauk Gator needs to be completed by 11/09/2016. license WQVX716 for the following locations Sag Harbor, South Hampton is in termination pending status due to failing to meet the buildout deadline. There is a pleading for reconsideration letter on file siting logistical issues preventing the completion of the buildout within the required timeframe. Other than this i have nothing new to report. I am having issues getting a good decode on the system,therefore i am not sure if the testing talkgroup is active or not. I am hopeful once selden comes online my issue will go away.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Tylerhav, Fri Sep 16 2016, 07:51pm

When is selden going to come online? I hope soon!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Sep 17 2016, 02:02pm

I am getting signal in East Islip but no voice. Are they simulcasting anything at this time?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Sep 19 2016, 09:03pm

At this time there are no active talk groups on the system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Oct 02 2016, 05:45pm

Do we know exactly what sites are online as of right now? I am in east islip and get a weak signal. I do get strong signals on ss pkwy near 231. Lie at rt110 an sunrise just past sayville bowl..

Any new updates?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 05 2016, 10:26pm

As far as i know Selden, Stony Brook Hospital and Northport VA Hospital are the only sites not online yet. As far as anything new with the system, nothing yet.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed Oct 12 2016, 02:08pm

thehawk wrote ...

As far as i know Selden, Stony Brook Hospital and Northport VA Hospital are the only sites not online yet. As far as anything new with the system, nothing yet.

i tend to believe there are more sites not online since reception is quite poor towards the east end of suffolk on the south shore.
either way you look at it, they are way past the target date of completion that they expected to have this system fully up and running.
could it be budgetary issues ?
could it be unexpected, unforeseen issues integrating with the current communication system ?
one cant help but wonder what the problem and slowdown is after all of this money has been "thrown" at a communication systems "upgrade" that is supposed to rival that of the current analog system.
a few sites online simulcasting a precinct does not qualify as an "upgrade" in my opinion.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
kb2kmm, Fri Oct 28 2016, 07:56pm

Was searching around & came upon 852.225 a P25 control channel. It's strong here in N Babylon.

New license just went active on 10/18/16. WQYJ627 licensed to SCPD. Repeater locations in North Lindenhurst at the 1st PCT, and Port Jefferson. 10 repeater freqs.
Licensed for P25 Phase 1 & 2.

It's strange because the license is for "SUFFOLK CITY POLICE DEPT." not Suffolk County. Maybe just a typo.

I've got it set-up on the 536HP. I'm getting TG 3111 which is a 1st PCT P25 re-broadcast from the 800 system. I believe it's Phase 1 P25.

Anyone with additional info?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Oct 31 2016, 12:08am

There was some work on my server today. My reply and Dave's reply are missing from the thread.

It looks like the information above is for Site 6. It doesn't look to be patched in at this time to the main system, and the 1st Precinct talk group is not simulcasting.

I've added the new site and the talk group to Radio Reference's database. This should now allow you to import via Sentinel and your favorite "XT" flavor programming software.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 31 2016, 01:30am

What was in my reply was the fact that if you look at all the contact info for the existing 800 and the 4 700 mhz licenses, all the info points to Yaphank and 631 area code numbers.

Contact Suffolk County Police Department
Technical Services
30 Yaphank Avenue
Yaphank, NY 11980
ATTN Tech Svs Section
P:(631)852-6431
F:(631)852-6994
E:scpdtechnicalservicessection@suffolkcountyny.gov



The new license, reflects a Nassau (516) area code and a company in Nj...


V-COMM, L.L.C.
DAVID K STERN
2540 US HIGHWAY 130, SUITE 101
CRANBURY, NJ 08512
P:(609)655-1200
F:(609)409-1927
E:DAVID.STERN@VCOMM-ENG.COM

And on the 700mhz licenses, they applied for an extension. [link]

October 28, 2016
Federal Communications Commission
Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
1270 Fairfield Rd
Gettysburg, PA 17325-7245
Dear Sir or Madam,
Suffolk County is submitting a request to extend our construction build out deadline for call sign
WQWS812.
This call sign is part of a larger system with call signs WQVX713 which construction was
completed on, WQWS812 (this call sign) which is delayed , and WQWS815 which construction is
in progress on.
Suffolk County is implementing this system due to the upcoming T-Band Frequency give back
requirements. This system is intended to allow Fire, Rescue, and Law Enforcement agencies to
communicate together where they are currently using disparate T-Band systems.
We are respectfully requesting the construction requirements be extended. There have been
logistical issues which have prevented the County from completing the build out date in the one
year requirement.
Thank you in advance for your consideration regarding this matter. Should you have any
questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Respectfully,
Michael Postel
Communications Systems Director

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 31 2016, 12:21pm

Emission Designators listed on the new license are,

9K80D7W P25 Phase II fixed-end 2-slot TDMA (Harmonized Differential Quadrature Phase Shift Keyed modulation -H-DQPSK )

8K10F1W P25 Phase II subscriber units (Harmonized Continuous Phase Modulation - H-CPM)

8K10F1E P25 Phase I C4FM voice (P25 mode in RRDB)

and,




Happy Halloween...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Oct 31 2016, 09:54pm

There are some sites on the east end and north shore that arent online yet. Found 2 talkgroups today tg3311 FDMA i think this was a simucast of the 3rd and talk group 4091 FDMA sounds like the radio techs.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 01 2016, 02:56am

Hawk, check out this thread, and Phil, can you merge the new thread with the this existing one? Hawk, new site at 1st pct and it was 1st pct units this time that we heard.

[link]



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 01 2016, 06:04pm

So today I am getting nothing on the new license. The old one, WQVX713, that I was barely getting, is coming in 100 percent today on cc 772.91875. They either turned up the power or maybe Hauppauge is finally online or something at the 3rd pct

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Nov 01 2016, 08:50pm

I think selden might finally be online. But i havent herd any activity on the system today

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 01 2016, 10:40pm

They were doing testing tg 4091 enc earlier today. Nothing on the new license. Hawk, did you see the other thread about the new license?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 02 2016, 05:09pm

yes i did see the thread about the 1st precinct site. That site is a little far from me in sayville. yesterday i was listening on my lunch break at 2-230 and again when i got home at 445 and there was nothing on both. ill tray again today and see if i get anything

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 02 2016, 08:16pm

Today they are on 772.91875 and its the third pct..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Nov 03 2016, 06:26pm

tg 3311 FDMA 3rd precinct is active 14:26

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 10 2016, 01:32pm

All silent again by me. Anyone getting anything or have any updates?

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Nov 10 2016, 03:25pm

I logged very brief activity yesterday around 1-130 on the simulcast system, nothing on the 1st precinct site. Ill update once i get home as i left my laptop logging both systems while im at work. As of 4:41pm 11/10/16 i did not log any activity on either system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Thu Nov 10 2016, 03:31pm

I've got a PRO-668 sitting on my desk here at work in Ronkonkoma. I can pick up the analog SCPD Motorola system clear as a bell but can't even get a signal on the new 700MHz system. Using Radio Shack 800MHz duck.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Nov 14 2016, 01:16am

FYI, I merged the two threads together. Sorry it took so long, been ironing out the server upgrades this week.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 14 2016, 02:03am

LIScanner101 wrote ...

I've got a PRO-668 sitting on my desk here at work in Ronkonkoma. I can pick up the analog SCPD Motorola system clear as a bell but can't even get a signal on the new 700MHz system. Using Radio Shack 800MHz duck.


Since your in Hicksville, you might try the newest freqs from this license, [link]

These are new 800mhz freqs that are somehow tied to the 700mhz system.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Mon Nov 14 2016, 05:45pm

[quote]
LIScanner101 wrote ...

I've got a PRO-668 sitting on my desk here at work in Ronkonkoma. I can pick up the analog SCPD Motorola system clear as a bell but can't even get a signal on the new 700MHz system. Using Radio Shack 800MHz duck.


Since your in Hicksville, you might try the newest freqs from this license, [link]

These are new 800mhz freqs that are somehow tied to the 700mhz system.

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Sorry, I should have clarified. I actually have the 700Mhz AND those 800MHz frequencies programmed-in. I still get no lock on a CC. Maybe I'm in a "dead zone" here in Ronkonkoma...?


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Nov 14 2016, 07:39pm

Talk group 3311 was active when I was on lunch today between 2-230

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Nov 14 2016, 08:40pm

LIScanner101 the 800mhz frequencies coming from the 1st precinct are difficult to receive this far east. I am not familar with the radio shack line of scanners but see if you can manually scroll through the frequencies and see if you are receiving a signal and just not getting a good decode. I have found that the 700mhz frequencies are very finicky to receive well. when i listen on lunch i am by barnwell tire in ronkonkoma, not sure if your close to that part of ronkonkoma or not

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 16 2016, 10:50pm

Was over by the first today and got no activity on any of the new 800 freqs. Now back in Eat Islip, i am barely getting 852.4375. Wondering where thats coming from...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Nov 17 2016, 09:44pm

Encrypted talk group 4091 was active today on both the 1st precinct site as well as the simulcast system. It appears they had to 2 systems linked

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sat Nov 19 2016, 12:57pm

852.4375 is still the active CC for the first pct site

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Nov 19 2016, 04:06pm

Wow I am barely seeing that. I can see it on sdrsharp but not UT. I have to check my couplers. I have 2 ebay dongles going and the Airspy mini. All off the same antenna. I just jumped into the fastlane and have not been able to get fmp or fmp24 scanner to work right. Thats today's project.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Nov 20 2016, 10:25pm

Was over near the first today , like 4 pm and could not get anything on my scanner as far as a signal on 852.4375. Now back in East Islip I see it on sdrsharp, but I am struggling to get it. When that new license came online , it was coming in good. I doubt its being broadcast from the first pct. I was thinking Port Jeff, but I am not sure if Phil would be picking that up that far north.

Phil, are you seeing it now?



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Nov 21 2016, 09:43pm

853.3000 for the1st precinct site and 774.15625 for the simulcast as of 4:43pm

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Tue Nov 22 2016, 11:33am

I've updated the Radio Reference DB this morning for this trunk system.
[link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 30 2016, 05:33pm

Been watching site 6 and I see it keeps saying neighbor, site 4 851.1625. That freq is part of the 800 mot type 2 system and does carry analog voice from that system. It is also 1 of the only 4 channels that I have ever seen digital on. Left Unitrunker on it all day and nothing showed.

Unitrunker also keeps logging a freq of 870.2250. I can not seem to locate anything on that freq and as far as putting it in the scanner, it's out of band. Been watching it on Sdr and don't see any activity.

Anyone else seeing this freq?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Dec 03 2016, 01:19pm

Holy Crap either I had a loose wire or they turned up the power on site 6 WQYJ627 I am getting 100 percent decode today...Used to get 20

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Tylerhav, Sun Dec 18 2016, 01:36pm

I guess they are waiting until January to ramp it up!

I have no idea why it's taken so long!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Jan 13 2017, 04:12pm

Anybody hearing anything?

I've stopped monitoring it for now because it's been dead for me...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jan 13 2017, 04:42pm

This spring the county transit users are going to be moved from the 800mhz system to the 700mhz system. As for right now the only activity will be if a radio techs radio affiliates with the system and joins one of the testing talk groups.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jan 15 2017, 06:07pm

Strange thing going on. 852.7125 is in my NYS Police favorite list. Its listed as 852.71250 WNNM915 Ch 7 - Troop B Mobile Repeaters
Statewide NY State Police. Looked at my proscan logs and see the freq was and still is active with a nac of 3C6.

852.7125 is also licensed to SCPD WQYJ627, the site 6 thats associated with the new 700 MHz system, 3CE.

I know I am not hearing the state pd and do know this is suffolk on the freq. I can not for the life of me get a lock on the control channels for site 6. But I am able to hear traffic when they are on the freq.

Anyone monitoring site 6 by any chance? If so, what i\s the cc today? I am watching site 6 on my scanner but only get voice on 852.7125.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
BigDogg795, Mon Jan 16 2017, 12:46am

Dave3825us wrote ...

Strange thing going on. 852.7125 is in my NYS Police favorite list. Its listed as 852.71250 WNNM915 Ch 7 - Troop B Mobile Repeaters
Statewide NY State Police. Looked at my proscan logs and see the freq was and still is active with a nac of 3C6.

852.7125 is also licensed to SCPD WQYJ627, the site 6 thats associated with the new 700 MHz system, 3CE.

I know I am not hearing the state pd and do know this is suffolk on the freq. I can not for the life of me get a lock on the control channels for site 6. But I am able to hear traffic when they are on the freq.

Anyone monitoring site 6 by any chance? If so, what i\s the cc today? I am watching site 6 on my scanner but only get voice on 852.7125.


That's been like that for me for months now; I just always assumed it was an issue of the troopers using the frequencies upstate and it being in the system as a channel used by SCPD.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Jan 30 2017, 06:13pm

The existing site in Huntington is WQCP844
851.4625
851.475
852.3125
852.475a
852.950c
852.975

There is a new license for Huntington WQYU531
806.95000 MO 4150 35.000 50.000
808.62500 MO 4150 35.000 50.000
851.95000 FB2 1 100.000 100.000
853.62500 FB2 1 100.000 100.000


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Feb 07 2017, 05:38pm

Anyone near Huntington able to see any activity on the freqs in the above post?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Wed Feb 08 2017, 01:32am

Dave3825us wrote ...

Anyone near Huntington able to see any activity on the freqs in the above post?


Wonder if I can pick it up in Hicksville?

I'll set my PRO-668 to record some activity & leave it on overnight. I'll report back tomorrow.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Wed Feb 08 2017, 02:47pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

Anyone near Huntington able to see any activity on the freqs in the above post?


I plugged-in all currently known systems into my PRO-668 and even added a wildcard to my talkgroup list.

I left it scanning & recording overnight. I saw active control channels on the display.

Not a single hit.

PS - For those who have heard comms on this system - have they all been Phase II so far, or just Phase I?


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Jul 02 2017, 04:33am

Been logging the system this week and I logged talk group 6301. Its a TDMA talk group with very infrequent activity.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Thu Aug 10 2017, 04:22pm

so here we are, 8/10/17, i finally have a very strong signal here in hampton bays but there is absolutely nothing being heard on my scanner.
in the past when the signal was marginal, there used to be a simulcast of a precinct, i believe it was the 3rd, now there is nothing.
though i should have unitrunker open to log any activity, i currently dont have it open and have no plans to use it at the moment.
so with that being said, has anyone else logged any activity on the new system at all in the last few months or is this just another waste of taxpayer dollars brought on by ex TOB supervisor Bellone ?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 10 2017, 08:48pm

They stopped the full time patch of the 3rd precinct awhile ago. every so often i run pro96com and there really isn't any traffic. There is one talkgroup rumored to be a Mac Arthur crash fire rescue talkgroup, 6301 TDMA but it is so rarely used i have not be able to confirm who uses it. Another rumor is sometime in the fall users of the 800mhz system will start switching over to the 700mhz system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Oct 05 2017, 05:59pm

Are there any new rumors, of facts about the status of this system? Last week or the week before the 1st pct was simulcasting on the site 6 freqs (800mhz ones) but nothing this week.


Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 08 2017, 04:10pm

Any updates on anything? Saw the techs on the air today but other than 1 affiliation request, pretty quiet.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 08 2017, 09:38pm

Rumor has it the northport va is dragging their butts in letting the county get in to install the radio site there. Once that site is completed users will slowly be switched from the analog 800 system to the digital 700 system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Nov 21 2017, 03:42am

Can anyone in the port jeff area check the following frequencies and if you find activity run pro96com or unitrunker. 851.125, 851.800, 852.3625, 852.800.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 27 2017, 01:28pm

Are those supposed to be online now? I can confirm sites 3 and 6 are online. I will keep an eye out .

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 29 2017, 11:12pm

I Was out in miller place on thanksgiving and tried those frequencies in my scanner and did not pick anything up, it appears the st charles hospital site isn't online.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Dec 05 2017, 03:02am

thehawk wrote ...

There is one talkgroup rumored to be a Mac Arthur crash fire rescue talkgroup, 6301 TDMA but it is so rarely used i have not be able to confirm who uses it.


Been running Unitrunker and I do see radio id's that I have labeled as Mac Arthur fire units (on 800 system) showing on the 700 system tg 6301. Not many but some joins and logins.

thehawk wrote ...

Another rumor is sometime in the fall users of the 800mhz system will start switching over to the 700mhz system


Lol
The meteorological fall starts September 1 and ends on November 30

The astronomical fall starts September 22 and ends on December 21

Guess they mean the astronomical one.








Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Dec 15 2017, 02:23am

I will be up in Huntington in a month and will bring the laptop and scout around....

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jan 12 2018, 04:51pm

Ok, now its winter. Is there any new gossip?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jan 12 2018, 06:40pm

Was out in Stony Brook today and neno new freqs active. Just site 3 and 6...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 09 2018, 05:28pm

Any new info or rumors? Saw a little activity on site 6 last week. Now zip...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Apr 17 2018, 02:56am

i was out in miller place over the weekend. I was not getting anything on the st charles hospital site frequencies. Thats the only thing i have to report att.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu May 31 2018, 10:42pm

Was hearing digital on 852.71250 WNNM915 NYSP XB B Ch 7 - Troop B . Turns out, 852.7125 is part of WQYJ627 Suffolk site 6 1st pct. Not sure why the freq is not listed on radio reference. If you look up the license, its on that, just not listed with the freqs on radio reference.. When I switched to the p25 system, I was not getting anything as it was never listed on rr.com so it never downloaded to the scanner.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Thu May 31 2018, 11:30pm

I updated the database with your findings.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Jul 07 2018, 04:32am

talk group 3111 is currently active on the 1st precinct site. 7/7/18 00:31hrs

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Jul 11 2018, 04:14pm

Phil and I are trying to obtain the Site NAC for sites 4 and 6. Is anyone able to assist us with this? Thanks in advance!

[link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jul 12 2018, 01:00am

thehawk wrote ...

talk group 3111 is currently active on the 1st precinct site. 7/7/18 00:31hrs


Today its been silent. Recorded 4 hours and not a peep. Caught a few calls yesterday.

GTR8000 wrote ...

Phil and I are trying to obtain the Site NAC for sites 4 and 6. Is anyone able to assist us with this? Thanks in advance!




Nac's are 3C then the site.
Site 3 is 3C3
Site 6 is 3C6

I want to question the existence of site 4 all together. While scanning the 1st Pct site with dsd, back in 2016, it listed nl 1.4 (site 4) 851.1625 . But
that freq is part of the current Suffolk 800MHz system WNNM880.

If you or Phil could check the licenses, (think I did a while back) I don't think 851.1625 is associated with the 700MHz system.

And the 3 licenses, (WNNM880 WQCE481 and WQOF907) listed under site 4 (700MHz system), I believe are actually the 800MHz system licenses. All 3 reflect the 22 freqs that the current 800MHz system uses.

I have have had 851.1625 in my scanner and have been all over the island both north shore and south shore and have yet to see any activity on that freq other than when its being used as a voice channel on the 800MHz system. I have not seen it ever used as a control channel either.

Thought I read a while back that , that info (neighbor sites ) is input into config files that are broadcast over the control channel. Not sure if that's true or not. Not sure if the right info was input.

I honestly do not think 851.1625 should be listed as a control channel on a 700MHz system when it is being used as a voice channel on an 800MHz system, and has not been physically seen as a control channel on any system....



This is what dsd showed in January

2018/01/31 21:40:18 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct
2018/01/31 21:40:19 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-25 851.162500


Today Dsd lists the following,

2018/07/11 18:58:10 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct
2018/07/11 18:58:25 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-25 851.162500 FAILED, ISOLATED

What is FAILED, ISOLATED mean?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 12 2018, 05:05am

Dave3825us wrote ...
Nac's are 3C then the site.
Site 3 is 3C3
Site 6 is 3C6


Which is normally how Motorola sets up an ASTRO 25 system, but I wanted to be sure, since the new SDS100 will prevent the scanner from unmuting with an incorrect NAC.


Dave3825us wrote ...
I want to question the existence of site 4 all together. While scanning the 1st Pct site with dsd, back in 2016, it listed nl 1.4 (site 4) 851.1625 . But
that freq is part of the current Suffolk 800MHz system WNNM880.

If you or Phil could check the licenses, (think I did a while back) I don't think 851.1625 is associated with the 700MHz system.

And the 3 licenses, (WNNM880 WQCE481 and WQOF907) listed under site 4 (700MHz system), I believe are actually the 800MHz system licenses. All 3 reflect the 22 freqs that the current 800MHz system uses.

I have have had 851.1625 in my scanner and have been all over the island both north shore and south shore and have yet to see any activity on that freq other than when its being used as a voice channel on the 800MHz system. I have not seen it ever used as a control channel either.

Thought I read a while back that , that info (neighbor sites ) is input into config files that are broadcast over the control channel. Not sure if that's true or not. Not sure if the right info was input.

I honestly do not think 851.1625 should be listed as a control channel on a 700MHz system when it is being used as a voice channel on an 800MHz system, and has not been physically seen as a control channel on any system....

This is what dsd showed in January

2018/01/31 21:40:18 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct
2018/01/31 21:40:19 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-25 851.162500

Today Dsd lists the following,

2018/07/11 18:58:10 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct
2018/07/11 18:58:25 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-25 851.162500 FAILED, ISOLATED

What is FAILED, ISOLATED mean?


Just to clarify one important point...the new P25 system is not exclusively a "700 MHz system", but rather is a mixed 700/800 MHz system. For the purposes of an ASTRO 25 system, Motorola considers 700 and 800 to be a single band, and sites can feature a mixture of 700 and 800 MHz frequencies.

Adjacent sites (aka "peers" or "neighbors") are entered into the Zone Controller, and are then broadcast over the control channels of whichever site(s) are adjacent to each other. It's worth noting that the site does not need to physically exist, it can be a "paper site" that exists in the Zone Controller only.

It appears that is what was seen with Site 4. The fact that it now shows FAILED, ISOLATED further reinforces that it doesn't physically exist yet.

You are correct in that it would be highly unusual to have a frequency as part of the P25 system while it is still actively part of the SmartZone system.

I've removed Site 4 from the database.

Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jul 25 2018, 11:02pm

So the 2 active sites with control channel data display nac as 3C then the site number, ie: Site 3 is 3C3 and Site 6 is 3C6

Had sdrtrunk running on a few suff digital channels, and saw nac 3C4 on that freq that was originally in the database as site 4. 851.1625. Not sure what I am looking at but first time I ever saw 3C4 in there. I also have not used sdrtrunk in a few months.

What does the message mean?








Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 26 2018, 02:23am

It means that a NAC of 3C4 is detected on 851.1625

Beyond that, I'm not sure what you're decoding. Is there an active P25 control channel on any of those four frequencies? What about a data channel?

Are you 100% certain that the four lowest 851 MHz frequencies are still actively part of the SmartZone system? It looks like that software is detecting FDMA activity on 851.0625, 851.0875, 851.1625, and 851.2375. That could be from a pure P25 system, or digital talkgroups from the SmartZone system, although it looks like most are analog.

Frankly, I'm not familiar with SDRTrunk, so I'm not certain how you're getting the data you're getting. I would prefer if you ran the latest DSD+ Fast Lane to get a clearer picture of what those channels are being used for.

At the very least, I would scan the entire 769-775 and 851-854 spectrum and see how many P25 control channels you find, specifically any for SysID 3CE.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Jul 26 2018, 09:55pm

Found site #4 for the p25 system. siteid 001-004 control channel 851.1625 alternates of 852.425, 852.675, 852.7375 and then voice channels 853.125 & 853.225. the 1st precinct site is listed as a peer. 3611 is an active tg 6th precinct patch from the smartzone system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 26 2018, 10:34pm

Excellent work, Hawk! Site and talkgroup added (back) to RRDB.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 26 2018, 10:46pm

Would it be possible for someone to observe the SmartZone system main simulcast for a few days in the software of your choice, and verify whether any of the following frequencies that are now part of Site 4 of the P25 system are still in use on the SmartZone system? It would be unusual for them to be active on two systems, but not entirely impossible. If no activity is observed on the 3D0C SmartZone system, I'm going to remove them. Thanks!

851.1625
852.425
852.675
852.7375
853.125
853.225

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Jul 26 2018, 11:00pm

852.6750, 852.7375, are still part of the smartzone system ill check the others when i get more time

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jul 27 2018, 12:55am

Going to Patchogue tomorrow. Will bring 436 and maybe laptop.

Lol BSI=CHANGEME CH 853.225

Sdrsharp results
851.1625 Barely getting cc decodes in East Islip, but do see a cc
852.4250 silent for 40 minutes
852.6750 analog voice
852.7375 analog voice
853.1250 analog voice
853.2250 silent for 40 minutes

Unitrunker results

2 radio joins in last 40 minutes.
radio id's
10852 (4th pct unit) target=54576 4th pct talk group on 800 smartzone
24016 (unknown) target=24016 enc talk group on 800 smartzone

Sdrtrunk results






Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jul 27 2018, 08:38pm

And just like that site 4 is no longer on the air and 851.1625 is being used on the smartzone system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jul 27 2018, 11:22pm

Yup. Was just over there and was hearing analog voice on 851.1625.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:51am

The other day when site 4 went on air, I could barely get the control channel. Yesterday and today, signal is booming. I know site 4 shows in database as being Selden, but is it possible its simulcast? Going west of East Islip today and will post again later... 851.1625 is on the air as of 7 40 am today..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 01 2018, 05:40pm

Most of those 800 MHz frequencies are licensed at multiple sites, and given the size of most of the Suffolk PD precincts, it's certainly possible that they will be simulcasting. Possibly even Site 6 for the 1st Precinct, which no one has ever determined.

ASTRO 25 simulcast cells use LSM (CQPSK), vs C4FM for standalone sites. The control channels have very different sounds to them if you listen with an analog receiver. They also have much different looking waveforms if you view them in a program like Unitrunker. It's pretty easy to determine whether a site is standalone C4FM or an LSM simulcast cell by looking and listening.

It's also worth pointing out that of the five YE licenses the county holds, only two of them have any P25 emissions, and both of those licenses are for the same site in Huntington. I'm not sure I'd put a whole lot of faith in those licenses when it comes to trying to figure this system out.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Aug 01 2018, 10:27pm

852.4250 is the current control channel and talk group 3511 5th precinct is active 6:27pm 8/1/18

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Aug 01 2018, 10:42pm

Im going to guess site 4 is simulcast as my 996p2s are having a hard time decoding it

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:46pm

Seems like that. Was getting good signal earlier today. Was in East Islip, Setauket , Babylon and East Farmingdale. Was getting control channel data in all those towns...

In Unitrunker, site 3 simulcast does not list any peers. Tho site 4, lists site 6 as a peer..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:51pm

If possible, please post a screenshot of the wave pattern seen in the Unitrunker receiver. Even better if you can post a short audio clip of the control channel being received in analog mode. I can tell you if Site 4 is simulcast or not. If you're in range of Site 6, please do the same and I'll determine whether that is simulcast as well. Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:55pm

Incidentally, is the 5th Precinct talkgroup being heard on Site 4? Are any or all of those talkgroups being heard on the 700 MHz simulcast Site 3 as well?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 02 2018, 03:22am

nothing on the 700mhz and I am a little far from the 1st precinct site to get a good signal unless atmospheric conditions are good. I am not using discriminator audio im using the control channel data output to feed unitrunker. Audio on my G5 sounds really good and I have good signal around sayville west sayville area.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Aug 02 2018, 11:49am

Yes Gtr, the 5th pct was being used last night. This morning, it seems the 6th pct 3611 and the 5th pct 3511 are both using site 4.







Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Aug 02 2018, 05:51pm

Site 4 is confirmed LSM, i.e. a simulcast cell. Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 02 2018, 10:17pm

so we have
site 3 700mhz simulcast
site 4 800mhz simulcast
site 5 ?
site 6 1st precinct

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Aug 02 2018, 10:31pm

What are the freqs you have for 5?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 02 2018, 11:13pm

I'm assuming there is a site 5. I wonder what St. Charles hospital sites number is if its 5 or is it 7. And what happens to site 2 aka huntington on the smartzone system once its upgraded and becomes part of the digital system since its seams site 1 of the smartzone system becomes site 4 on the digital system. plus theres 700mhz frequencies listed for sites in the Hamptons so what site number would those be.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Aug 03 2018, 12:52pm


Looking thru Unitrunker, I see that a Nac of 3C7 was active Tuesday. The freq in the pic is part is site 3.




I have never seen this before, what is it?



Also, from my home, signal was booming yesterday on cc 852.4250. Today, 851.1625 is not as strong.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Aug 03 2018, 04:28pm

Dave3825us wrote ...
Looking thru Unitrunker, I see that a Nac of 3C7 was active Tuesday. The freq in the pic is part is site 3.



Reading through all of the issues you seem to be having with Unitrunker v2, I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in anything you're seeing there.

As for DSD+, take one-off stuff like that with a grain of salt, almost certainly a bad decode.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Aug 06 2018, 08:36pm

New talk groups herd today
3803 Command Band
1376 Radio Techs Astro. Sounds like it allows the techs radio to affiliate with the best site whether thats the 800mhz simulcast or the 1st precinct site if they are in range.
Lots of radio testing in various parts of the county was herd today.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Heartbeat539, Tue Aug 07 2018, 07:05pm

What type of scanner is needed to monitor this system?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Aug 07 2018, 10:27pm

Unication G4 or G5 and Uniden SDS100. You can try with anything from a 996xt and newer as right now the talkgroups are fdma, aka p25 phase 1. Your only issue being how bad the simulcast signals are for your listening area.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 01 2018, 01:29pm

Anything new with this?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 02 2018, 05:14am

talk group id 19 testing one of the transit talk groups from the legacy system. That's all i got right now.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 02 2018, 11:28am

Would this be on site 4? Used to get 6 from my location but not lately and everytime I check site 3, there is nothing going on.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 02 2018, 06:36pm

yes all on site 4. site 3 is going to be used for the fire departments that switch to the trs, and you wont hear anything on site 6 unless theres a radio affiliated to that site.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 02 2018, 06:53pm

site 4 talkgroup 11 is active testing the minivan tg 176 from the legacy system
also tg25 now testing inter county coach tg 400 from the legacy system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Oct 03 2018, 01:12pm

Just saw tg 17 (tg 272 Suffolk Bus1)

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Oct 05 2018, 06:13pm

Interesting

Up until tg 25 came active, the other 2 freqs hex tg's matched up with the dec tg's.

11 = 272 Suffolk Bus1
17 = 368 Sunrise Bus


25 =
But tg 25, according to the db, should be tg 592 on the 800 system. The traffic is buses calling pond road.

From the db


DEC     HEX           Alpha Tag         Description    
272    011            Suffolk Bus1   Suffolk Bus Corp (Western Townships)     
368    017            Sunrise Bus   Sunrise Coach/Hampton Jitney buses
400    019            County Bus   Intercounty Coach (Western Townships)     
592    025            SUNYF'Dale   SUNY Farmingdale Campus Public Safety     


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Oct 05 2018, 09:48pm

Make sure you're not confusing DEC with HEX.

Also keep in mind that when converting talkgroups between the old Type II system and the new P25 system, the HEX values are the same, but the DEC are not.

The DEC values going from Type II to P25 are divided by 16, or if going from P25 to Type II, multiply by 16.

For example:

Type II talkgroup 272 DEC (011 HEX) "Suffolk Bus Corp (Western Townships)" would convert to 17 DEC on the P25 system (272 divided by 16 equals 17), but the HEX value of 011 would be consistent on both systems.

Likewise, if you saw 17 DEC pop up on the P25 system, you can simply multiply by 16 to find the 272 DEC value on the Type II system to match them up.

So 25 DEC on the P25 system works out to be 400 on the Type II system (multiply 25 by 16), which means that it's the "Intercounty Coach (Western Townships)" talkgroup.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Oct 06 2018, 06:06am

This is what i have so far
p25 tg 17 suffolk bus 1 western township moto type2 tg 272
p25 tg 25 intercounty coach moto type 2 tg 400
p25 tg 11 mini vans moto type 2 tg 176
p25 tg 19 i havent confirmed but acoording to gtr8000s above info would work out to moto type 2 tg 304 which is babylon bus

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 09 2018, 12:10pm

GTR8000 wrote ...

Make sure you're not confusing DEC with HEX.



Thanks for the breakdown. That clears it up now..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 09 2018, 12:12pm

thehawk wrote ...

site 3 is going to be used for the fire departments that switch to the trs,



Any idea which depts might use the system or are they all getting one radio issued by fres?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 09 2018, 06:35pm

We will have to wait and see which departments switch to the 700mhz site for their dispatch communications.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 09 2018, 08:05pm

So its going to be for dispatch? I thought I read it was going to be used as interops and mutual aid / fireground. Time will tell

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 10 2018, 05:09am

for chiefs and apparatus to dispatch. fire ground i would assume would be 700mhz simplex

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 10 2018, 04:53pm

add P25 TG 23 Sunrise Coach/Hampton Jitney buses (East End) moto type 2 tg 368 to the list of active tgs on the p25 system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Oct 10 2018, 06:05pm

1st pct was on site for for about 30 minutes this morning. Now just buses. Also noticed here in E Islip that the signal is not as strong as its been in the past...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Oct 12 2018, 07:02pm

new tg 22001 is active sounds like pd but unable to determine the user as of yet
edit: think it might be Southampton town pd. herd them reference Stevenson's toys
edit edit: I think it maybe southampton village pd

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Oct 15 2018, 03:43am

got confirmation today its southampton village pd. Also saw tg id 3711 active for a brief period today.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 15 2018, 11:34am

Seems 22003 would be theirs also.



I see many "no resource available". There are 6 freqs for site 4 and 4 of them are control and alt control channels. I do see the first, 851.1625 (which is an alt cc right now) being used for voice. I have not seen any voice on the 3rd or 4th alt cc today.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Mon Oct 15 2018, 10:03pm

Fellas, if you would be so kind, please submit these findings to the RRDB after confirmation so that Phil or I can get them added to the system.

I've added most of what was already found to the system based on the posts here, but it's much better to have the submitted directly to avoid confusion.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 17 2018, 04:55am

So its looking like radio ids that are 7 digits are users on the digital side and the 5 digit radio ids are on the analogue side.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Oct 17 2018, 11:47am

When rid 65520 (suffolk bus vans dispatcher) keys up on the 800, it shows up on the 700 system as 7126296. The same with intercounty coach rid 7126054 on 700mhz, showing as 15001 on 800mhz. As seen in the pic, 700 in dsd (left) and 800 in unitrunker (right)..

So what's the deal with that? Is that unit using a new radio or a flashed radio?






Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 17 2018, 06:44pm

if they are using a console i would assume its possible they have it routed to both sites to get the best audio quality on both sites. were as the audio quality when going from the analogue site patched to the digital site isn't the greatest.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 26 2018, 08:50pm

Heard a bus telling dispatch that it was having trouble with the AVL, (auto vehicle locator). Anyone know anything about the avl system? I never see llrp data on those freqs when in DSDPlus.

They do have this and I was wondering if it is able to monitored with sdr dongles.

[link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Dec 19 2018, 12:31pm

so it appears that the minivans are completely digital now and are no longer being herd on the analog system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Jan 15 2019, 07:08pm

7th precinct now being herd on the 800mhz digital system. i dont know if thats temporary or if they are going to start moving the 7th precinct units to the digital side. 1/15/19 14:08

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Wed Jan 23 2019, 10:53am

What is the talk group? 3711 ?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jan 25 2019, 06:20am

correct 3711 for the 7th precinct. as i type this command band is active on the digital system 1:20am 1/25/19

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jan 31 2019, 07:50pm

Has anyone noticed that the p25 800 simulcast is now using 3 more freqs?



Channel 0-0:      851.00625              VOICE  NEW
Channel 0-25:     851.1625      CC  SCC  VOICE
Channel 0-227:    852.425       CC  SCC  VOICE
Channel 0-267:    852.675       CC  SCC  VOICE
Channel 0-277:    852.7375      CC  SCC  VOICE
Channel 0-295:    852.85                 VOICE  NEW
Channel 0-307:    852.925                VOICE  NEW
Channel 0-339:    853.125                VOICE
Channel 0-355:    853.225                VOICE  BSI






Anyone have any info on the 700mhz set up? Heard very brief testing a few days ago but then nothing.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jan 31 2019, 10:08pm

And of course all of those frequencies except 851.00625 is part of the main simulcast of the 3600 system *rolleyes*

I assume that the 3600 system is still very active, and that all of the frequencies that have been seen on the P25 system are also still active on the 3600 system?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jan 31 2019, 10:29pm

I have the original 22 freqs still in my Unitrunker on the smartzone from its download from a while ago. I will watch those 3 freqs to see if any are being used on the smartzone system.

Right now I am taking advantage of the propagation conditions and am running doitt uhf in Unitrunker right now. Not everyday I actually receive that one.

The doitt uhf p25 simulcast, on the other hand, comes in great everyday with op25 on the pi. They are still doing testing on that one.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Feb 01 2019, 12:51pm



Let Unitrunker run all night. Freqs are arranged in date last seen order. From 852.9250 down are not being used. Most likely, 852.4 is still smartzone, just did not get used last night.

852.85 and 852 925 made the switch 11 days ago..







Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Feb 01 2019, 09:18pm

Excellent documentation, thanks!

I'm going to update the RRDB for both systems based upon your observations. Although I'm not quite convinced that 851.00625 is valid on the P25 system. That frequency is the base value for the FDMA band plan entry 0 (or 1 in Motorola CPS), which is why no channel # is displayed (it's effectively LCN 0-0000)

If you get a chance, can you run Unitrunker against the P25 system, and see if 851.00625 pops up with some hits? Or I guess restart DSD+ and see if it appears again and if there is actually any channel activity on it.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Feb 01 2019, 09:56pm

When the 800 simulcast starts up, 851.00625 does not display itself or a channel number right away even tho it's in the DSDPlus.P25data file (shown below). All the others do start right up and display the ch number.

Have it running now. Going to watch while I wait for my turkey burgers . Now its been a while. I am going to add it to Unitrunker since Unitrunker will log channel activity.. I programmed it at 5 09 pm. Lets see when it shows a first seen..




     Site: 1.4    NAC=3C4  BSI=WNNM880     ; 800 Simulcast

    Neighbor: BEE00.3CE-1.6      ; 1st Precinct

    Channel 0-0:      851.00625             VOICE
    Channel 0-25:     851.1625     CC  SCC  VOICE
    Channel 0-227:    852.425      CC  SCC  VOICE
    Channel 0-267:    852.675      CC  SCC  VOICE
    Channel 0-277:    852.7375     CC  SCC  VOICE
    Channel 0-295:    852.85                VOICE
    Channel 0-307:    852.925               VOICE
    Channel 0-339:    853.125               VOICE
    Channel 0-355:    853.225               VOICE        BSI



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Feb 02 2019, 01:40am

It would be nice if DSD+ logged channel hits in the p25data file.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Feb 02 2019, 04:37pm

So dsd and unitrunker have been running since my last post around 5pm. Almost 18 hours and Unutrunker does not list a first seen date, and dsd is not showing 851.00625 in the cc channel activity window. I will resume this on Monday when there will be much more traffic. The freq was loaded earlier in the day so maybe it comes up when the system is very busy.

I have seen a few times where every freq was being used. Looking at my dsdgroups file, there are 13 definite tg's that have had activity. . Usually it's just the 6 bus related , Command and 7th (or 5th) , S Hampton Village and occasionally the buses use Countywide 1. So this setup has been maxed out at times. 8 freqs and 10 talk groups.



P25,       BEE00.3CE, 1,        50,  Normal,      82,  2019/02/01  4:55,  "Countywide 1"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 11,       55,     L/O,   13559,  2019/02/02 10:56,  "Suffolk Bus Vans"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 15,       50,     L/O,     139,  2019/02/02  9:17,  "Dispatchers Base to Base."
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 17,       50,     L/O,    5211,  2019/02/02 10:55,  "Suffolk Bus West"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 19,       55,     L/O,    4404,  2019/02/02 10:28,  "Babylon Bus"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 23,       50,     L/O,    1495,  2019/02/02 10:49,  "Sunrise Bus"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 25,       45,     L/O,   14066,  2019/02/02 10:55,  "Intercounty Western "
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 3111,     50,  Normal,      66,  2019/01/15 10:35,  "SCPD 1st"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 3511,     50,  Normal,      28,  2019/01/10 12:17,  "SCPD 5th"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 3711,     50,  Normal,    1555,  2019/01/31 21:53,  "SCPD 7th"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 3803,     50,  Normal,    3386,  2019/02/02 10:54,  "SCPD Command"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 22001,    50,  Normal,    1589,  2019/02/02 10:43,  "S Hampton PD"
P25,       BEE00.3CE, 22003,    50,  Normal,       7,  2019/01/09 18:10,  ""






Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 01 2019, 02:57pm

Anyone have anything new about site 3 or anything else with this system ?


2019/02/28  11:53:34  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Current site:  BEE00.3CE-1.3  700 Simulcast
2019/02/28  11:58:56  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=14692873   Src=1406306
2019/02/28  14:12:42  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=26532   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]
2019/02/28  18:05:59  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=26339   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]
2019/02/28  20:22:01  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=23053   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]
2019/02/28  20:59:09  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=38499   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]
2019/02/28  21:25:04  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=52550   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]
2019/02/28  22:37:02  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=50074   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]
2019/03/01  02:58:24  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration; RID=64135    ACCEPT
2019/03/01  02:58:24  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Affiliation; RID=64135   TG=6301    ACCEPT
2019/03/01  07:41:42  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=10967 [7th pct unit]   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]
2019/03/01  08:04:46  Freq=772.281250  NAC=3C3  Registration Req; Tgt=64110   Src=REG-DEFAULT [REG-DEFAULT]




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Sun Mar 03 2019, 10:55pm

Not sure why but i seem to be able to pick up the 800mhz freqs OK depending on the location in nassau
but i only seem to pick up the 700mhz freqs when in or closer to suffolk


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Mar 14 2019, 01:47am

hospital north now on the digital side tgid 155

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 15 2019, 06:32pm

hospital south now on the digital side as well tgid 157

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 15 2019, 07:16pm

They also seem to have created 8 new tg's that are not on the 800 system.

And established tg's for,

Med Comm East tg 151
Med Comm West tg 153








22003 and 22005 may be related to South Hampton Village as I see some rid's from 22001 (South Hampton Village) in the history of 22003 and 22005. Time will tell.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 15 2019, 09:16pm

this is what i have logged so far. Anything in red is unconfirmed.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 15 2019, 09:48pm

How long has that been running? I may have found another bug in Unitrunker.

tg 1601 ( 25616 (enc) on 800 ) is in my site 3c4 from last thursday.
tg 3 countywide 2 was seen last weekend with the st pats parade and the week before in the east islip st pats parade.

Everything in red I have also.

I will do a better comparison later as I have a function at my sons school.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 15 2019, 10:43pm

every so often i run unitunker. i have some decoding issues due to the simulcast nature of the system using a 996p2. ill leave it run 24-7 this week and see ifanything gets added

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
kmilcar78, Sat Mar 16 2019, 07:11pm

so quick question when is suffolk county police dept. is ganna be deprecated
and also swich to p25 fully digital ?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Sat Mar 16 2019, 09:10pm

Another observation - recently ive noticed the sound quality/power level of suffolk med dispatch 155.280 PL 156.7 has been deteriorating
Im usually able to get decent strength on that even in nassau but not recently - id say in the past few weeks/month or so
Not sure if thats a sign of anything or what ...



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Mar 21 2019, 10:30pm

spent some time today on my lunch break monitoring the 1st precinct site, the only traffic i picked up was the 1st precinct talk group from the type 2 system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
RADIOTECH, Fri Mar 22 2019, 03:36am

Darkstar350 wrote ...

Another observation - recently ive noticed the sound quality/power level of suffolk med dispatch 155.280 PL 156.7 has been deteriorating
Im usually able to get decent strength on that even in nassau but not recently - id say in the past few weeks/month or so
Not sure if thats a sign of anything or what ...




Suffolk FRES has multiple transmitters located throughout the county. You might be hearing them use one near you 5 by 5 and then using one distant. Maybe that’s why they sound weak? The vhf low band and vhf-high band transmitters push a lot of power. Nothing has changed.

As far as encryption. My friend is a tech working on the system. I don’t know what or when, but it is coming. Most likely all the law enformcent.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 22 2019, 02:44pm

I know I read somewhere that license WQVX716 was Terminated . It was one of the first licenses that was posted here. How might this impact whatever their original plan was?

Has anyone seen any of the Port Jefferson freqs online yet?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 22 2019, 06:05pm

after a week of running unitrunker 24-7. not in the screen shot is talk group 22005 believed to be a 3rd channel for Southampton village pd



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 22 2019, 07:27pm

picked up an sds 200 to compare to my unication g5 and so far the G5 is receiving better than the sds200. The sds200 is missing quick transmissions like if a unit keys up and says 10-4 i wont hear it on the sds but i will hear it on the g5. Also the g5 audio is almost always perfect where as the sds200 does have some breakup mid transmission its only occasionally but it does happen more than the g5.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Mar 31 2019, 08:54pm

add medcom east tg id 151 and medcom west tg id 153. both now active

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Wed Apr 10 2019, 07:27pm

In the past few days ive been getting activity on 460.300 PL 67.0 which seems to be simulcasting FRES calls
Not sure if this is relevant to the trunk system or not or where this is coming from (i am guessing babylon WQJF221)
Just a heads up


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 11 2019, 12:00pm

What's the other freq your hearing fres calls on?

Ahh, just heard Bayshore and Kings Park get toned out on 460.3. I am watching all 3 trunked systems and so far don't see a connection..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Apr 11 2019, 08:37pm

fres dispatch is now on the digital system tg id 85. Can you have a talk group id of 0 on a p25 trunked system?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 12 2019, 12:24am

thehawk wrote ...

fres dispatch is now on the digital system tg id 85. Can you have a talk group id of 0 on a p25 trunked system?

No, 0 is not a valid talkgroup ID. In what context are you seeing a TGID of 0?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 12 2019, 01:26am

I see tg 0 in unitrunker all the time. Not sure if its a unitrunker thing or not, but, I do not see a tg of 0 listed in dsd .

Also, most of the newer tg's on the new system are not consistent. I run the p25 against the smartzone and will here a few 3rd pct calls on p25, then they stop but keep going on the 800. Command band is on and off. Same with the 7th pct. Not 24/7. That's why I have not reported many findings until I notice it's not on smartzone anymore or is 24/7 simulcast. Tg 85 has been on and off for about a week.

Tg 22005 is some kind of new med dispatching that's not on the 800 system and only seen on site 4. They are using Suffolk Fire codes.

Tg 22005 = 352080 (on 800 smartzone) and the highest smartzone tg is 65488. I have not seen any tg on at the same time as 22005 is active.

Site 3 is pretty dead except for an occasional radio test or a radio denial. Tg 6301 seems to maybe FRES related and has only been seen (at least by me) on site 3.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Fri Apr 12 2019, 02:53pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

What's the other freq your hearing fres calls on?

Ahh, just heard Bayshore and Kings Park get toned out on 460.3. I am watching all 3 trunked systems and so far don't see a connection..


I hear suffolk dispatches on 464.200 PL 77.0 and 478.325 DPL 331 as well
Im not sure if its an actual simulcast or only certain depts are heard toning out
Both freqs are licensed to commercial radio companies [link] [link]
Also i have been hearing those for at least in the past year or so

Its interesting that literally just in the past week i have noticed the activity on 460.300 PL 67.0 and now a FRES talk group appears on the P25 system





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:14pm

talk group id 0 popped up in unitrunker. i have an idea of who maybe using 6301 but its used so infrequent i haven't been able to confirm if its a second channel for MacArthur crash fire rescue and yes I've only seen it on site 3 700mhz. as far as command and any precinct on site 4 800mhz p25 you will only here it if there's a radio affiliated to the talk group on site 4. the only full time talk groups right now are transit, Southampton village,hospital south &north, medcom east & west. I cant tell if the fres dispatch is full time cause its not very active generally on either analogue or digital

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:22pm

If you see a 0 for the Source or Target in Unitrunker, it's something other than a talkgroup. Often you'll see a 0 when the system is denying a radio (registration or affiliation) for whatever reason (invalid ID, insufficient permissions, etc.) You might also see a 0 as the Source ID if a console patch is being used in certain configurations.

If you could give specific examples of when you see a 0 in a field in Unitrunker, I can give you a better explanation of what is going on. But 0 is definitely not a valid ID for either a talkgroup or a subscriber, so it's indicating something else.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:30pm

Dave3825us wrote ...
Tg 22005 is some kind of new med dispatching that's not on the 800 system and only seen on site 4. They are using Suffolk Fire codes.

Tg 22005 = 352080 (on 800 smartzone) and the highest smartzone tg is 65488. I have not seen any tg on at the same time as 22005 is active.

Any talkgroups with an ID of 4095 or higher will be exclusive to the P25 system. SmartZone systems are only capable of 4094 talkgroups (1-65504 in Type II format, or 1-FFE in HEX).

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:32pm

it was listen under groups for the system in unitrunker

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Apr 13 2019, 03:08am

thehawk wrote ...

it was listen under groups for the system in unitrunker

That's normal in Unitrunker. It's not a valid talkgroup, just a place holder for certain system activity. Similar to how TGID 65536 is a placeholder for the BSI, not an actual talkgroup.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Apr 13 2019, 02:23pm

what is bsi. always wondered why 65536 would come up.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Apr 13 2019, 07:11pm

BSI = Base Station Identification

It's the CWID (Morse code) of one of the system call signs that is transmitted in analog on one of the frequencies which is designated for that purpose.

When the BSI is being broadcast, it's also encoded over the control channel, ergo why you see Unitrunker indicate "calls" on TG 65536 every half hour. There is no actual TG 65536 in the system, it's merely something the developer of Unitrunker wrote into the software long ago to capture the BSI events.

Newer releases of the Motorola ASTRO 25 system software will not only transmit the BSI every half hour on a designated frequency, but will also continuously broadcast it over the control channel. If you're tracking an ASTRO 25 system at system release 7.16 or newer, you're basically going to see 65536 constantly on the control channel frequency.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Apr 13 2019, 08:37pm

ah. Im thinking tg id 22005 is southampton village volunteer ambulance. listen and see what you guys think it might be

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Apr 13 2019, 10:46pm

thehawk wrote ...

ah. Im thinking tg id 22005 is southampton village volunteer ambulance. listen and see what you guys think it might be


Not familiar with them. How many buses do they have?

I have logged 57 radio id's on that tg.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
innokuous1, Sun Apr 14 2019, 02:20am

(Quote: I hear suffolk dispatches on 464.200 PL 77.0 and 478.325 DPL 331 as well)

478.325 MHz DPL 331 is the UHF repeater for Central Islip Hauppauge Volunteer Ambulance.

When they get activated by Medcom on 155.280 MHz, that activation gets re-transmitted on 478.325 MHz
and when the activation is over they use the repeater for in house comms.

I'm not familiar with the technical term or the equipment that's used to do the re-transmitting, but I hear many Suffolk
County fire departments doing the same thing going from 46.46 MHz to their in house UHF systems for activation's.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Sun Apr 14 2019, 10:22am

innokuous1 wrote ...

(Quote: I hear suffolk dispatches on 464.200 PL 77.0 and 478.325 DPL 331 as well)

478.325 MHz DPL 331 is the UHF repeater for Central Islip Hauppauge Volunteer Ambulance.

When they get activated by Medcom on 155.280 MHz, that activation gets re-transmitted on 478.325 MHz
and when the activation is over they use the repeater for in house comms.

I'm not familiar with the technical term or the equipment that's used to do the re-transmitting, but I hear many Suffolk
County fire departments doing the same thing going from 46.46 MHz to their in house UHF systems for activation's.




Oh I see
I wonder if something similar will happen with a TG on the system

Also does anyone get activity on TG 6256 and 6257?
Not sure what those may be but i have them written down for some reason...



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Apr 14 2019, 03:07pm

I remember when they first started doing testing (back in 2016) (and on site 3) that 6256 and 6257 were being used. I have not seen either of those in use lately.


[link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Apr 14 2019, 09:04pm

6256 and 6257 were used for testing when the system was first being built. I have 56 radios id on 22005.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 15 2019, 06:48pm

thehawk wrote ...

ah. Im thinking tg id 22005 is southampton village volunteer ambulance. listen and see what you guys think it might be


They have 7 vehicles.

Buses,
7-18-16
7-18-17
7-18-18

Tahoe's
7-18-30
7-18-30
7-18-30

And an 80 unit
7-18-80

How many radios total would a shop this size possibly have? I would think each bus would have one in the front and one in the back. Not sure how many members would have portables.

Who ever it is, is now on the county trs and the licenses will not reflect the trunked system. I looked trying to get an idea how many radios the licenses had listed to try to narrow it down. Google says Southampton Village Ambulance is located at 44 Meeting House Ln, Southampton, NY 11968. None of these licenses reflect that address..

Looked at the license listed in the db for Southampton Village Ambulance and it comes back to WPUN496 - SOUTHAMPTON, VILLAGE OF and mentions police and fire.

Looked at the license listed in the db for Southampton Ambulance, and that comes back to WPLV865 - SHIRLEY COMMUNITY AMBULANCE

Looked at the license listed in the db for Southampton Town Ambulance and that comes back to WPFG967 - SOUTHAMPTON, TOWN OF


I will try to catch some addresses and see what happens. Has anyone heard any and if so, are they in that area?





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Apr 16 2019, 10:49pm

FRES now active talk group 161. took a trip out east the weekend before last, brought my g5 with me and had great reception till about amagansett.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Apr 18 2019, 12:04am

GTR8000 saw tg id 0 pop up. source id is 240223 action is call and target id is 0

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Apr 18 2019, 05:25am

thehawk wrote ...

GTR8000 saw tg id 0 pop up. source id is 240223 action is call and target id is 0

What was displayed in the SVC column?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 19 2019, 04:41pm

there was a - in the svc column. Also tg141 is active, its 155.28000mhz county wide ems dispatch put onto the trunked system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:14pm

Hawk, when tg 141 is active, what does it show in your source column? I and seeing rid of 0.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:21pm

thehawk wrote ...

there was a - in the svc column. Also tg141 is active, its 155.28000mhz county wide ems dispatch put onto the trunked system.

Hmm, a dash in the SVC column basically means that Unitrunker couldn't determine what type of call it was, meaning it could be an invalid entry. If the control channel signal is kind of weak, you're likely to see bad decodes. I'm not saying it's 100% bad decodes, but if it were a legitimate call, you would've seen something like 4 or P4 or Dat in that SVC column, not a -

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:23pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

Hawk, when tg 141 is active, what does it show in your source column? I and seeing rid of 0.

I believe you're running UT v2, based on your post history in the Google group. If you are seeing a 0 in the Source column for nearly every voice call on that TG, that normally indicates a console patch is in place. In this case, likely a patch between 155.280 conventional and TG 141 trunking, through one of the system consoles. That would explain the 0 Source ID, as ASTRO 25 systems do not encode the ID of the console with patches like that.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:42pm

Unitrunker shows source (rid) of 0 .










DSDPlus shows EXTERNAL as source




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 06:14pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

Unitrunker shows source (rid) of 0

DSDPlus shows EXTERNAL as source

Yep, that is indeed a console patch from conventional to trunking.

Originally, DSD+ didn't handle those patches well, until I alerted the DSD+ authors of these types of ASTRO 25 console patches (which we started doing on our system a few years ago), so they updated the software to display EXTERNAL. I personally would've used a word that more clearly describes what is happening, but at least they fixed the main issue with the patches. Meh.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 19 2019, 06:28pm

DSDPlus does not log anything in the radios file as EXTERNAL is not a valid rid.

Anyone have any word on who exactly will utilize the site 4 800 simulcast? Seeing a bunch of group not ready and channel resource not available. Seems like it's getting crowded. Looks like Command band has priority as I have see bus tg change to command band during transmissions.


Heading towards Port Jeff and will see if those freqs are active. Do see a bunch of log-ins and what not on site 3 700 but not really any voice.

Just curiuos what the overall plan might be.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 19 2019, 08:19pm

unitrunker isn't showing a source id for tg 141. as far as i know everything thats currently on the 800 type 2 system will be on site 4 800mhz p25. the 700mhz site 3 will be used for fire departments that want to use the county system for there department dispatch traffic with 700mhz conventional channels being fire ground ops. also herd some traffic on 22005, "dispatch 7-18-18 signal 5" and also " 30 dispatch we will be signal 5 no patient found".

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 08:47pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

DSDPlus does not log anything in the radios file as EXTERNAL is not a valid rid.

Correct, because "EXTERNAL" equates to RID 0, which is not an actual valid ID. Same as TGID 0, which is not valid.

Also important to point out that you two are using different versions of Unitrunker, which display things differently in some cases. v2 will display a Source/Target ID of 0 for some of these events, whereas v1 will not. The console patches is one example where v2 displays Source ID 0 while v1 displays a blank Source ID. Something to keep in mind when comparing notes.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 19 2019, 09:32pm

What is the latest version? on unitrunker.com i see 1.0.33.6 as the last version

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 10:24pm

thehawk wrote ...

What is the latest version? on unitrunker.com i see 1.0.33.6 as the last version

1.0.33.6 is indeed the last publicly released version.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Apr 20 2019, 11:58am

thehawk wrote ...

What is the latest version? on unitrunker.com i see 1.0.33.6 as the last version



GTR8000 wrote ...

1.0.33.6 is indeed the last publicly released version.



And I am running the latest version 2.0 beta. 2.0.0.73


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Apr 29 2019, 10:09pm

Any one able to monitor the 1st precinct site and see if there's any traffic,

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat May 04 2019, 03:40pm

thehawk wrote ...

Any one able to monitor the 1st precinct site and see if there's any traffic,


1st pct site has some traffic. Have not compared to 436 to see if every 1st pct radio is using it or not.

Also seeing tg 157 hospital north starting to carry traffic on the 1st pct site at the same time its on site 4.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed May 08 2019, 04:59am

Riverhead Pd Dispatch is now active tg 103

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Aug 20 2019, 09:55pm

165 on p25, 2640 on 800, FRES OPS-2 seems to be being used for rescue calls yesterday into today. Anyone in the know , know if its permanent or temporary? Never really received much on that tg.. And never really was interested in medical related calls..

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Aug 21 2019, 05:18am

I know some departments in the 5th division were trying trunking for their dispatch channel, I guess to see if they like it enough to move to the 700-mhz site could be related to that.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Aug 21 2019, 12:51pm

Gonna leave 700 site 3 running today and see if there is any activity.

What I was hearing yesterday was on analog 800 and p25 site 4 ( 800mhz ) It was ems related that I was hearing. Dispatch would announce Suffolk emt's then go on with the call. Units calling in call Headquarters.

Curious how this will pan out in the end. Right now there are 8 county pd tgs (not counting pd ops or any det channels) and only 8 freqs on site 4. I remember hearing that pd has priority on the system so if there is a transit or medcom call during a time when all pd tgs need the air, the other users get kicked until a freq opens up.

Anyone know if pd will be exclusive on a site and everyone else would use a different site?.

Site 6 is hit or miss for me. I do not get great signal but when there is traffic I am able to make it out.

I have not seen anything on the freqs that were assumed to be a Port Jeff site and not sure if the 2 terminated licenses ( WQWS812 WQVX716 ) were replaced with anything new.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 21 2019, 04:37pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

Curious how this will pan out in the end. Right now there are 8 county pd tgs (not counting pd ops or any det channels) and only 8 freqs on site 4.

The P25 system is TDMA capable, which means those 8 frequencies become 1 control + 14 traffic channels. That is actually more capacity than the current analog SmartZone primary simulcast cell (1 control + 13 traffic channels), and of course doesn't take into account the other sites/simulcast cells in the P25 system, which increases the capacity even more. 700 and 800 MHz are considered a single band on these systems and the subscriber radios, which means they will have no trouble at all roaming between any of the P25 sites when permitted to do so.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Aug 23 2019, 11:39am

Dave3825us wrote ...

165 on p25, 2640 on 800, FRES OPS-2 seems to be being used for rescue calls yesterday into today. Anyone in the know , know if its permanent or temporary? Never really received much on that tg.. And never really was interested in medical related calls..

Thanks


Just heard someone in 6th batt say they are going back to their primary repeater. Read yesterday the Riverhead vac's repeater broke down and fres loaned them 20 vhf radios.

[link]

I know news 12 is often wrong with details. I don't listen to vhf ambulance stuff but does fres vhf simulcast on p25 or even 800? I do have 29 rid's logged for fres ops 2 tg in both analog and p25. I am thinking it's been Riverhead ambulance I was hearing.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Aug 23 2019, 11:39am

GTR8000 wrote ...

Dave3825us wrote ...

Curious how this will pan out in the end. Right now there are 8 county pd tgs (not counting pd ops or any det channels) and only 8 freqs on site 4.

The P25 system is TDMA capable, which means those 8 frequencies become 1 control + 14 traffic channels. That is actually more capacity than the current analog SmartZone primary simulcast cell (1 control + 13 traffic channels),


Yes, 1 control + 13 traffic for smartzone now, but I remember the smartzone system was actually 1 cc and 21 voice freqs before they started using some of the analog freqs as p25. Also the smartzone does not have any of the transit tg's on there anymore.

I have not seen slot 1 slot 2 use on the p25 800 as of yet but do see "[GC] Channel Resource Not Available;" many times during the day mostly when a transit bus are trying to talk and the other freqs are in use.

I did catch some on 700 yesterday,

Site: 1.3 NAC=3C3 BSI=WQVX713 ; 700 Simulcast

Channel 1-1328: 770.30625 BSI
Channel 3-1360: 770.50625-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1361: 770.50625-2 VOICE
Channel 3-1452: 771.08125-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1453: 771.08125-2 VOICE
Channel 3-1532: 771.58125-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1593: 771.95625-2 VOICE
Channel 1-1644: 772.28125 SCC
Channel 1-1746: 772.91875 SCC
Channel 1-1864: 773.65625 SCC
Channel 1-1944: 774.15625 CC