New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Jun 15 2015, 01:14pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Jun 15 2015, 01:15pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Jun 15 2015, 03:13pm

Each license has its own set of 700mhz as well as 800mhz freqs. Is one going to be for data?



SY WQVX713
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPT.30 YAPHANK AVE, YAPHANK NY 631-852-6439
1 - HAMPTON PARK, EDGE OF WOODS RD OFF MAJORS PATH, HAMPTON PARK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
2 - HAUPPAUGE, NORTH SERVICE ROAD OF L.I.E. 500 WEST RT 111& 2000 E OF SIM, HAUPPAUGE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower
3 - MOUNT MISERY, MOUNT MISEY RD @ NORTHERN STATE PKY .25 MI E OF EXIT 9, MELVILLE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (
4 - SUFFOLK HILLS, COUNTY PARKLAND NW CR 51 E OF HOT WATER ST, CALVERTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
5 - YAPHANK, 30 YAPHANK AVE, YAPHANK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)

770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 40e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)


6 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.30625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
800.50625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.08125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.58125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.95625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.28125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.91875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
803.65625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
804.15625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)





SY WQVX716
1 - NOYACK, 507 MIDDLE LINE HIGHWAY (088143), SAG HARBOR (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
2 - SOUTHHAMPTON PD HQ, 95 JACKSON AVE, SOUTHAMPTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)


770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 31p 67e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W ( P25 Phase II)

3 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.51875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.09375 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
801.96875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.29375 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
802.90625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
803.66875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)
804.16875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W ( P25 Phase II)



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Thu Jul 23 2015, 05:22pm

im receiving something which appears to be data at 774.3075 (frequency seems to be centered here).
on the BCD996XT it flashes "DAT" in the display but i hear nothing.
no information is available on the FCC website either.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Thu Jul 23 2015, 06:35pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jul 24 2015, 05:49pm

I did not see 774.3075 listed as part of the freqs Suffolk was granted. Does this freq have anything to do with the Suffolk Trs?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Tue Jul 28 2015, 03:22am

whatever it was that was operating at that frequency is no longer there.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 19 2015, 02:04am

Seems Suffolk got 2 more licenses.

WQWS815

WQWS812

and the first 2

WQVX713
WQVX716


SY WQWS812
SUFFOLK, COUNTY OF
[THE APPLICANT IS A GOVERMNENT ENTITY]
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPT., 30 YAPHANK AVE., YAPHANK NY 631-852-6436
(link)
11/09/2015 License Issued
1 - AMAGANSETT, F.D., MONTAUK HWY (#274398), AMAGANSETT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Pole] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 180.0°, Gain: 8.0dBi, Azimuth: 35.0°, HAAT: 42.2m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 30.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 180.0°, Gain: 8.0dBi, Azimuth: 35.0°, HAAT: 42.2m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 63p 75e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
2 - EAST HAMPTON TWR, MONTAUK HIGHWAY, EAST HAMPTON (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Guyed] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 38.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 12.0dBi, Azimuth: 350.0°, HAAT: 47.8m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 38.1m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 12.0dBi, Azimuth: 350.0°, HAAT: 47.8m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 66p 134e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
3 - GREENPORT, GREENPORT WATER DISTRICT, GREENPOINT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 150.0°, HAAT: 48.2m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 150.0°, HAAT: 48.2m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 83e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
4 - JAMESPORT, N OF SOUND AVE & E OF HERRICKS LN, JAMESPORT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 61.0m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 30.4°, HAAT: 70.6m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 61.0m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 30.4°, HAAT: 70.6m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 24p 102e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
5 - MONTAUK GATOR, MONTAUK GATOR SITE, MONTAUK GATOR (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Utility pole] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 240.0°, HAAT: 68.3m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 45.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 65.0°, Gain: 13.0dBi, Azimuth: 240.0°, HAAT: 69.3m]
770.51875 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.16875 FB2 Ant: 2 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.09375 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.96875 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.29375 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.90625 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.66875 FB2 Ant: 1 47p 165e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
6 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.51875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.09375 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.96875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.29375 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.90625 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
803.66875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
804.16875 MO Ant: 1 30p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)


SY WQWS815
SUFFOLK, COUNTY OF
[THE APPLICANT IS A GOVRTNMENT ENTITY]
Control Point 1 - SUFFOLK COUNTY POLICE DEPT., 30 YAPHANK AVE., YAPHANK NY 631-852-6439
(link)
11/09/2015 License Issued
1 - EAST PORT, 21 UNION STREET, EASTPORT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Monopole] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 24.4m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 19.9m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 24.4m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 19.9m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 63p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 50p 97e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
2 - FARMINGVILLE, END OF FOXBORO AVE BERKSHIRE DR, FARMINGVILLE (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Lattice tower] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 33.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 67.7m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 33.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 360.0°, Gain: 7.0dBi, HAAT: 67.7m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 38e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
3 - NORTHPORT VA HOSP, NORTHPORT VA HOSPITAL SUFFOLK COUNTY, NORTHPORT (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Tank] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 58.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 160.0°, HAAT: 79.0m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 58.5m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 160.0°, HAAT: 79.0m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 39p 63e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
4 - STONY BROOK HOSPITAL, UNIVERSITY HOSPITAL AT STONY BROOK, STONY BROOK (SUFFOLK) NY [Structure: Building with antenna on top] (map)
[Antenna 1 - HTT: 42.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 68.2m]
[Antenna 2 - HTT: 42.7m, Polarization: Vertical, Beamwidth: 226.0°, Gain: 10.0dBi, Azimuth: 340.0°, HAAT: 68.2m]
770.30625 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.91875 FB2 Ant: 2 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
770.50625 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
773.65625 FB2 Ant: 2 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.08125 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
774.15625 FB2 Ant: 2 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.58125 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
771.95625 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
772.28125 FB2 Ant: 1 10p 19e Units: 1 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 9K80D7W (P25 Phase II)
5 - (SUFFOLK) NY Countywide
800.30625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
800.50625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.08125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.58125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
801.95625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.28125 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
802.91875 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
803.65625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)
804.15625 MO Ant: 1 35p 18e Units: 6000 8K10F1D 8K10F1E 8K10F1W (P25 Phase II)

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Dec 04 2015, 07:18pm

If they are flashing some of the radios as mentioned in the story below, will those radios have new radio id numbers?




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Sun Dec 06 2015, 02:46pm

There's that encryption word again. Hopefully it won't be all channels.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Apr 07 2016, 03:34am

The System is on the air. Current control channel is 773.65625.Not all the sites are online at this time. WACN BEEE00 sysid 3CE. More site will be coming online within the next couple days

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
swker98, Sun Apr 10 2016, 03:43am

That CC is silent in Western Nassau right now, maybe too far.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Apr 11 2016, 03:56pm

The melville site doesn't appear to be up yet. I'm not sure if im picking up the pd hq site or the hauppauge site. Both sites are within 7-8 miles of my location.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Apr 11 2016, 09:31pm

Control Channel changed to 772.9187. Talk group 6256 is the Command Band from the 800mhz system. only appears to be active during business hours.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 15 2016, 02:14pm

Just heard radio shop doing testing on the utac interop channels and proscan shows someone made a few comms on the utac 800 also...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Apr 16 2016, 02:44am

It appears only the yaphank pd hq site is active at this time .

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 18 2016, 07:53pm

Been hearing testing all day on Nys Parks Pd tg. Also unable to receive a cc today...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Apr 20 2016, 10:12pm






Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Thu Apr 21 2016, 01:37am

Dave, are you picking this up in Western Suffolk or is this near Yaphank?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 21 2016, 11:15am

That was taken in East Islip.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 28 2016, 05:30pm

Had to go to Stony brook today. The cc was strongest for me using my 436 around sayville bowl in sayville . Lost signal on Nichols road at 495. I dont think the seldon/farmingville site is up . After looking at the locations on the map for the freqs being used, it has to be hauppauge .

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed May 25 2016, 02:11pm

omitted

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed May 25 2016, 04:22pm

band plan for CC 772.91875Mhz.


i have to say, the audio quality sounds terrible for P25, i hope it eventually gets better.
only have been hearing the 3rd PCT on 6257.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Thu May 26 2016, 11:49pm

Been getting more and more hits on 700mhz lately
So far i have the following:
770.1687
770.4187
770.9437
773.0687
774.0562
774.3437
774.8812

Not sure if these have anything to do with the new Suffolk system - they sound like possibly data/control channel then again im picking this up on a 996xt which is not Phase 2 capable
I ran a few searches on these and the only freqs i came up with are 774.3437 is part of the NYC system and 774.8812 is for the Westchester system
Didnt find any of the other freqs for the entire country...


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
k2epm, Fri May 27 2016, 02:38am

OH.... I didn't know they were getting a new system. Make me long for the days of VHF....I guess that's been 20 years ago now.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jun 03 2016, 05:01pm



Where are you scanning from? I am in the 3rd pct and I have to struggle to get any reception. I wonder if the 3rd pct units are actually using any new radios or if the are just broadcasting the 3rd onto the new system..


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Fri Jun 03 2016, 05:39pm


im receiving from hampton bays with a decent signal (roof top commercial 700/800Mhz high gain omnidirectional/LMR400 coax/10dB amp) but it does not appear to be coming from a local tower in this area, the signal is far too weak for decent portable reception despite the fact i am using a custom made high gain 700Mhz portable antenna.
i would like to know where the transmission is originating from for 772.918.7Mhz since at this point it appears to be a single transmission and not multiple simulcasts as detailed on the FCC license page.
if anyone could provide signal stats as to how well 772.918.7Mhz is being received in their area on a portable radio or desktop radio without an external antenna, it would be appreciated.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Jun 03 2016, 06:34pm

elitedata,

What do you mean by "772.918.7 MHz"? That's not a valid frequency format.

Do you mean 772.91870 or maybe 772.91875?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Jun 03 2016, 06:39pm

Never mind - I see above where you referenced 772.91875.

Have you picked up any site ID info!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Sat Jun 04 2016, 12:47pm


yes.
its the same info as my previous post where i heard only the third precinct.
i dont think they were using the new radio system, i believe it was just being rebroadcast.
since my posting yesterday, i have heard no voice activity but the control channel has been up and running.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Sun Jun 05 2016, 08:04pm

today @ 1600, finally heard comms to what appears to be the third PCT being re-broadcast - ID is 6257
and at 1615, back to silence

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Sun Jun 05 2016, 08:52pm

Thanks for all the comms info guys.

Is there a defined band plan and frequencies verified yet? I'm a hardware scanner guy...

Thanks.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Mon Jun 06 2016, 06:08pm


at this point, i am keeping a log of every frequency being used for the control channel.
todays CC frequency is 772.2812.5 Mhz.
the same rebroadcast of the 3rd PCT @ ID 6257 or just silence with an idle CC

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Jun 06 2016, 07:18pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Mon Jun 06 2016, 07:47pm


assuming these freqs below will be the CC's for the time being though it may be subject to change.
772.28125
772.91875
773.65625
774.15625


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jun 07 2016, 03:47pm

Still confused as to why it its the 3rd pct instead of units in the yapank area. I am in the third and have to use an amp to pull that site in...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Jun 08 2016, 02:21am

right now the only activity on the system is the 3rd prct being patched over from the 800mhz system. The only time the patch is active is when a radio from tech services affiliates with the new system. However this maybe changing in the near future. the mount misery site is now active.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed Jun 08 2016, 01:05pm


so to answer my original question, being that the system is still in building/testing phase and not all CC radio sites are up and running at once, the current CC transmission is coming from that location in MT Misery ?
i dont know member "Dave3825us" location but judging from his response, i would say it appears only one or two radio sites are up and active at the moment unless other members can gauge other site locations that are active.
so if this is indeed true, then the antenna/amplifier setup i have here would be working quite well for that distance (RT 110 & NSP to my receiver location in hampton bays) however, i have doubts that i would actually be receiving that radio site from that far of a location though i am able to receive P25 800Mhz CT state police as well as NJ power trunk system and some low powered single trunk systems in suffolk originating from the bald hill site.
i believe what i am receiving is most likely originating from yaphank or from manorville.
basically, im trying to gauge my reception performance from my location.
i dont remember the manufacturer name or exact gain but its a omnidirectional dual band 700/800Mhz high gain antenna used in commercial applications (used on towers), quite the large and heavy antenna requiring special large steel mounting brackets, not exactly the easiest to mount to my chimney due to the weight and size but it appears to work quite well.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Jun 08 2016, 09:52pm

By my location the only sites up are mt misery and pd hq in yaphank. Selden and hauppauge sites should be going online soon. im not sure which east end sites are online.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jun 09 2016, 05:21pm

My location is East Islip. What are these small trunked system on bald hill you speak of?



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Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Thu Jun 09 2016, 07:28pm


according to the license info, there is supposed to be more east end sites in and around the area of the north and south forks extending to the points respectively, than on the current analog system, where there was only i believe 3 at the most between the north and south forks - i had mapped out the exact locations of all the current system sites and posted the KMZ file for google earth in this forum.
the old system never had a site in or around montauk, so this should be interesting to see once the site(s) are online - i would also expect east hampton PD which has their own site and analog trunking system to be "somewhat" inter-operable with the new system once its online in the area.
i dont believe any east end sites are up and running at the moment since the signal strength i am receiving at this point is marginal on the portable but good on the desktop.
the current analog system has good signal on the portable and excellent signal on the desktop.
using the BCD996P2 on the P25 system, the quality of the sound is quite poor and reminiscent of the sound quality of the "early" cell digital audio phone days.
not sure if this is a by-product of the receivers P25 decoder or the way they are patching in the third PCT or a combo of both but either way, i dont like the sound.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jun 26 2016, 02:38pm

Anyone know what todays cc is? Saw yesterday that in east farmingdale the signal was very strong. Cant find a working cc today.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Jun 26 2016, 05:26pm

773.6562 is the control channel as of 13:25hrs. Also the hauppaugue site is now online. still waiting for selden to come online.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Tylerhav, Thu Aug 25 2016, 12:07am

Hello!

Any new Info?

Thanks

Tyler.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 25 2016, 04:43am

Looking at the licenses for the 700 MHz system WQVX713 for the following locations Hampton Park, Hauppauge, Melville, Calverton, Yaphank, build out was completed 05/10/2016. WQWS815 for the following locations Eastport, Farmingville, Northport, Stony Brook and WQWS812 for the following locations Amagansett, East Hampton, Greenpoint, Jamesport, Montauk Gator needs to be completed by 11/09/2016. license WQVX716 for the following locations Sag Harbor, South Hampton is in termination pending status due to failing to meet the buildout deadline. There is a pleading for reconsideration letter on file siting logistical issues preventing the completion of the buildout within the required timeframe. Other than this i have nothing new to report. I am having issues getting a good decode on the system,therefore i am not sure if the testing talkgroup is active or not. I am hopeful once selden comes online my issue will go away.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Tylerhav, Fri Sep 16 2016, 07:51pm

When is selden going to come online? I hope soon!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Sep 17 2016, 02:02pm

I am getting signal in East Islip but no voice. Are they simulcasting anything at this time?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Sep 19 2016, 09:03pm

At this time there are no active talk groups on the system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Oct 02 2016, 05:45pm

Do we know exactly what sites are online as of right now? I am in east islip and get a weak signal. I do get strong signals on ss pkwy near 231. Lie at rt110 an sunrise just past sayville bowl..

Any new updates?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 05 2016, 10:26pm

As far as i know Selden, Stony Brook Hospital and Northport VA Hospital are the only sites not online yet. As far as anything new with the system, nothing yet.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Wed Oct 12 2016, 02:08pm


i tend to believe there are more sites not online since reception is quite poor towards the east end of suffolk on the south shore.
either way you look at it, they are way past the target date of completion that they expected to have this system fully up and running.
could it be budgetary issues ?
could it be unexpected, unforeseen issues integrating with the current communication system ?
one cant help but wonder what the problem and slowdown is after all of this money has been "thrown" at a communication systems "upgrade" that is supposed to rival that of the current analog system.
a few sites online simulcasting a precinct does not qualify as an "upgrade" in my opinion.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
kb2kmm, Fri Oct 28 2016, 07:56pm

Was searching around & came upon 852.225 a P25 control channel. It's strong here in N Babylon.

New license just went active on 10/18/16. WQYJ627 licensed to SCPD. Repeater locations in North Lindenhurst at the 1st PCT, and Port Jefferson. 10 repeater freqs.
Licensed for P25 Phase 1 & 2.

It's strange because the license is for "SUFFOLK CITY POLICE DEPT." not Suffolk County. Maybe just a typo.

I've got it set-up on the 536HP. I'm getting TG 3111 which is a 1st PCT P25 re-broadcast from the 800 system. I believe it's Phase 1 P25.

Anyone with additional info?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Oct 31 2016, 12:08am

There was some work on my server today. My reply and Dave's reply are missing from the thread.

It looks like the information above is for Site 6. It doesn't look to be patched in at this time to the main system, and the 1st Precinct talk group is not simulcasting.

I've added the new site and the talk group to Radio Reference's database. This should now allow you to import via Sentinel and your favorite "XT" flavor programming software.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 31 2016, 01:30am

What was in my reply was the fact that if you look at all the contact info for the existing 800 and the 4 700 mhz licenses, all the info points to Yaphank and 631 area code numbers.

Contact Suffolk County Police Department
Technical Services
30 Yaphank Avenue
Yaphank, NY 11980
ATTN Tech Svs Section
P:(631)852-6431
F:(631)852-6994
E:scpdtechnicalservicessection@suffolkcountyny.gov



The new license, reflects a Nassau (516) area code and a company in Nj...


V-COMM, L.L.C.
DAVID K STERN
2540 US HIGHWAY 130, SUITE 101
CRANBURY, NJ 08512
P:(609)655-1200
F:(609)409-1927
E:DAVID.STERN@VCOMM-ENG.COM

And on the 700mhz licenses, they applied for an extension. [link]

October 28, 2016
Federal Communications Commission
Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau
1270 Fairfield Rd
Gettysburg, PA 17325-7245
Dear Sir or Madam,
Suffolk County is submitting a request to extend our construction build out deadline for call sign
WQWS812.
This call sign is part of a larger system with call signs WQVX713 which construction was
completed on, WQWS812 (this call sign) which is delayed , and WQWS815 which construction is
in progress on.
Suffolk County is implementing this system due to the upcoming T-Band Frequency give back
requirements. This system is intended to allow Fire, Rescue, and Law Enforcement agencies to
communicate together where they are currently using disparate T-Band systems.
We are respectfully requesting the construction requirements be extended. There have been
logistical issues which have prevented the County from completing the build out date in the one
year requirement.
Thank you in advance for your consideration regarding this matter. Should you have any
questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Respectfully,
Michael Postel
Communications Systems Director

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 31 2016, 12:21pm

Emission Designators listed on the new license are,

9K80D7W P25 Phase II fixed-end 2-slot TDMA (Harmonized Differential Quadrature Phase Shift Keyed modulation -H-DQPSK )

8K10F1W P25 Phase II subscriber units (Harmonized Continuous Phase Modulation - H-CPM)

8K10F1E P25 Phase I C4FM voice (P25 mode in RRDB)

and,




Happy Halloween...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Oct 31 2016, 09:54pm

There are some sites on the east end and north shore that arent online yet. Found 2 talkgroups today tg3311 FDMA i think this was a simucast of the 3rd and talk group 4091 FDMA sounds like the radio techs.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 01 2016, 02:56am

Hawk, check out this thread, and Phil, can you merge the new thread with the this existing one? Hawk, new site at 1st pct and it was 1st pct units this time that we heard.

[link]



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 01 2016, 06:04pm

So today I am getting nothing on the new license. The old one, WQVX713, that I was barely getting, is coming in 100 percent today on cc 772.91875. They either turned up the power or maybe Hauppauge is finally online or something at the 3rd pct

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Nov 01 2016, 08:50pm

I think selden might finally be online. But i havent herd any activity on the system today

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 01 2016, 10:40pm

They were doing testing tg 4091 enc earlier today. Nothing on the new license. Hawk, did you see the other thread about the new license?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 02 2016, 05:09pm

yes i did see the thread about the 1st precinct site. That site is a little far from me in sayville. yesterday i was listening on my lunch break at 2-230 and again when i got home at 445 and there was nothing on both. ill tray again today and see if i get anything

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 02 2016, 08:16pm

Today they are on 772.91875 and its the third pct..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Nov 03 2016, 06:26pm

tg 3311 FDMA 3rd precinct is active 14:26

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 10 2016, 01:32pm

All silent again by me. Anyone getting anything or have any updates?

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Nov 10 2016, 03:25pm

I logged very brief activity yesterday around 1-130 on the simulcast system, nothing on the 1st precinct site. Ill update once i get home as i left my laptop logging both systems while im at work. As of 4:41pm 11/10/16 i did not log any activity on either system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Thu Nov 10 2016, 03:31pm

I've got a PRO-668 sitting on my desk here at work in Ronkonkoma. I can pick up the analog SCPD Motorola system clear as a bell but can't even get a signal on the new 700MHz system. Using Radio Shack 800MHz duck.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Nov 14 2016, 01:16am

FYI, I merged the two threads together. Sorry it took so long, been ironing out the server upgrades this week.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 14 2016, 02:03am



Since your in Hicksville, you might try the newest freqs from this license, [link]

These are new 800mhz freqs that are somehow tied to the 700mhz system.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Mon Nov 14 2016, 05:45pm

[quote]


Since your in Hicksville, you might try the newest freqs from this license, [link]

These are new 800mhz freqs that are somehow tied to the 700mhz system.

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Sorry, I should have clarified. I actually have the 700Mhz AND those 800MHz frequencies programmed-in. I still get no lock on a CC. Maybe I'm in a "dead zone" here in Ronkonkoma...?


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Nov 14 2016, 07:39pm

Talk group 3311 was active when I was on lunch today between 2-230

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Nov 14 2016, 08:40pm

LIScanner101 the 800mhz frequencies coming from the 1st precinct are difficult to receive this far east. I am not familar with the radio shack line of scanners but see if you can manually scroll through the frequencies and see if you are receiving a signal and just not getting a good decode. I have found that the 700mhz frequencies are very finicky to receive well. when i listen on lunch i am by barnwell tire in ronkonkoma, not sure if your close to that part of ronkonkoma or not

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 16 2016, 10:50pm

Was over by the first today and got no activity on any of the new 800 freqs. Now back in Eat Islip, i am barely getting 852.4375. Wondering where thats coming from...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Nov 17 2016, 09:44pm

Encrypted talk group 4091 was active today on both the 1st precinct site as well as the simulcast system. It appears they had to 2 systems linked

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sat Nov 19 2016, 12:57pm

852.4375 is still the active CC for the first pct site

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Nov 19 2016, 04:06pm

Wow I am barely seeing that. I can see it on sdrsharp but not UT. I have to check my couplers. I have 2 ebay dongles going and the Airspy mini. All off the same antenna. I just jumped into the fastlane and have not been able to get fmp or fmp24 scanner to work right. Thats today's project.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Nov 20 2016, 10:25pm

Was over near the first today , like 4 pm and could not get anything on my scanner as far as a signal on 852.4375. Now back in East Islip I see it on sdrsharp, but I am struggling to get it. When that new license came online , it was coming in good. I doubt its being broadcast from the first pct. I was thinking Port Jeff, but I am not sure if Phil would be picking that up that far north.

Phil, are you seeing it now?



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Nov 21 2016, 09:43pm

853.3000 for the1st precinct site and 774.15625 for the simulcast as of 4:43pm

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Tue Nov 22 2016, 11:33am

I've updated the Radio Reference DB this morning for this trunk system.
[link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 30 2016, 05:33pm

Been watching site 6 and I see it keeps saying neighbor, site 4 851.1625. That freq is part of the 800 mot type 2 system and does carry analog voice from that system. It is also 1 of the only 4 channels that I have ever seen digital on. Left Unitrunker on it all day and nothing showed.

Unitrunker also keeps logging a freq of 870.2250. I can not seem to locate anything on that freq and as far as putting it in the scanner, it's out of band. Been watching it on Sdr and don't see any activity.

Anyone else seeing this freq?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Dec 03 2016, 01:19pm

Holy Crap either I had a loose wire or they turned up the power on site 6 WQYJ627 I am getting 100 percent decode today...Used to get 20

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Tylerhav, Sun Dec 18 2016, 01:36pm

I guess they are waiting until January to ramp it up!

I have no idea why it's taken so long!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Jan 13 2017, 04:12pm

Anybody hearing anything?

I've stopped monitoring it for now because it's been dead for me...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jan 13 2017, 04:42pm

This spring the county transit users are going to be moved from the 800mhz system to the 700mhz system. As for right now the only activity will be if a radio techs radio affiliates with the system and joins one of the testing talk groups.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jan 15 2017, 06:07pm

Strange thing going on. 852.7125 is in my NYS Police favorite list. Its listed as 852.71250 WNNM915 Ch 7 - Troop B Mobile Repeaters
Statewide NY State Police. Looked at my proscan logs and see the freq was and still is active with a nac of 3C6.

852.7125 is also licensed to SCPD WQYJ627, the site 6 thats associated with the new 700 MHz system, 3CE.

I know I am not hearing the state pd and do know this is suffolk on the freq. I can not for the life of me get a lock on the control channels for site 6. But I am able to hear traffic when they are on the freq.

Anyone monitoring site 6 by any chance? If so, what i\s the cc today? I am watching site 6 on my scanner but only get voice on 852.7125.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
BigDogg795, Mon Jan 16 2017, 12:46am



That's been like that for me for months now; I just always assumed it was an issue of the troopers using the frequencies upstate and it being in the system as a channel used by SCPD.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Jan 30 2017, 06:13pm

The existing site in Huntington is WQCP844
851.4625
851.475
852.3125
852.475a
852.950c
852.975

There is a new license for Huntington WQYU531
806.95000 MO 4150 35.000 50.000
808.62500 MO 4150 35.000 50.000
851.95000 FB2 1 100.000 100.000
853.62500 FB2 1 100.000 100.000


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Feb 07 2017, 05:38pm

Anyone near Huntington able to see any activity on the freqs in the above post?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Wed Feb 08 2017, 01:32am



Wonder if I can pick it up in Hicksville?

I'll set my PRO-668 to record some activity & leave it on overnight. I'll report back tomorrow.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Wed Feb 08 2017, 02:47pm



I plugged-in all currently known systems into my PRO-668 and even added a wildcard to my talkgroup list.

I left it scanning & recording overnight. I saw active control channels on the display.

Not a single hit.

PS - For those who have heard comms on this system - have they all been Phase II so far, or just Phase I?


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Jul 02 2017, 04:33am

Been logging the system this week and I logged talk group 6301. Its a TDMA talk group with very infrequent activity.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
elitedata, Thu Aug 10 2017, 04:22pm

so here we are, 8/10/17, i finally have a very strong signal here in hampton bays but there is absolutely nothing being heard on my scanner.
in the past when the signal was marginal, there used to be a simulcast of a precinct, i believe it was the 3rd, now there is nothing.
though i should have unitrunker open to log any activity, i currently dont have it open and have no plans to use it at the moment.
so with that being said, has anyone else logged any activity on the new system at all in the last few months or is this just another waste of taxpayer dollars brought on by ex TOB supervisor Bellone ?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 10 2017, 08:48pm

They stopped the full time patch of the 3rd precinct awhile ago. every so often i run pro96com and there really isn't any traffic. There is one talkgroup rumored to be a Mac Arthur crash fire rescue talkgroup, 6301 TDMA but it is so rarely used i have not be able to confirm who uses it. Another rumor is sometime in the fall users of the 800mhz system will start switching over to the 700mhz system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Oct 05 2017, 05:59pm

Are there any new rumors, of facts about the status of this system? Last week or the week before the 1st pct was simulcasting on the site 6 freqs (800mhz ones) but nothing this week.


Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 08 2017, 04:10pm

Any updates on anything? Saw the techs on the air today but other than 1 affiliation request, pretty quiet.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 08 2017, 09:38pm

Rumor has it the northport va is dragging their butts in letting the county get in to install the radio site there. Once that site is completed users will slowly be switched from the analog 800 system to the digital 700 system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Nov 21 2017, 03:42am

Can anyone in the port jeff area check the following frequencies and if you find activity run pro96com or unitrunker. 851.125, 851.800, 852.3625, 852.800.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 27 2017, 01:28pm

Are those supposed to be online now? I can confirm sites 3 and 6 are online. I will keep an eye out .

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 29 2017, 11:12pm

I Was out in miller place on thanksgiving and tried those frequencies in my scanner and did not pick anything up, it appears the st charles hospital site isn't online.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Dec 05 2017, 03:02am



Been running Unitrunker and I do see radio id's that I have labeled as Mac Arthur fire units (on 800 system) showing on the 700 system tg 6301. Not many but some joins and logins.



Lol
The meteorological fall starts September 1 and ends on November 30

The astronomical fall starts September 22 and ends on December 21

Guess they mean the astronomical one.








Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Dec 15 2017, 02:23am

I will be up in Huntington in a month and will bring the laptop and scout around....

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jan 12 2018, 04:51pm

Ok, now its winter. Is there any new gossip?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jan 12 2018, 06:40pm

Was out in Stony Brook today and neno new freqs active. Just site 3 and 6...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 09 2018, 05:28pm

Any new info or rumors? Saw a little activity on site 6 last week. Now zip...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Apr 17 2018, 02:56am

i was out in miller place over the weekend. I was not getting anything on the st charles hospital site frequencies. Thats the only thing i have to report att.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu May 31 2018, 10:42pm

Was hearing digital on 852.71250 WNNM915 NYSP XB B Ch 7 - Troop B . Turns out, 852.7125 is part of WQYJ627 Suffolk site 6 1st pct. Not sure why the freq is not listed on radio reference. If you look up the license, its on that, just not listed with the freqs on radio reference.. When I switched to the p25 system, I was not getting anything as it was never listed on rr.com so it never downloaded to the scanner.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Thu May 31 2018, 11:30pm

I updated the database with your findings.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Jul 07 2018, 04:32am

talk group 3111 is currently active on the 1st precinct site. 7/7/18 00:31hrs

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Jul 11 2018, 04:14pm

Phil and I are trying to obtain the Site NAC for sites 4 and 6. Is anyone able to assist us with this? Thanks in advance!

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Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jul 12 2018, 01:00am



Today its been silent. Recorded 4 hours and not a peep. Caught a few calls yesterday.





Nac's are 3C then the site.
Site 3 is 3C3
Site 6 is 3C6

I want to question the existence of site 4 all together. While scanning the 1st Pct site with dsd, back in 2016, it listed nl 1.4 (site 4) 851.1625 . But
that freq is part of the current Suffolk 800MHz system WNNM880.

If you or Phil could check the licenses, (think I did a while back) I don't think 851.1625 is associated with the 700MHz system.

And the 3 licenses, (WNNM880 WQCE481 and WQOF907) listed under site 4 (700MHz system), I believe are actually the 800MHz system licenses. All 3 reflect the 22 freqs that the current 800MHz system uses.

I have have had 851.1625 in my scanner and have been all over the island both north shore and south shore and have yet to see any activity on that freq other than when its being used as a voice channel on the 800MHz system. I have not seen it ever used as a control channel either.

Thought I read a while back that , that info (neighbor sites ) is input into config files that are broadcast over the control channel. Not sure if that's true or not. Not sure if the right info was input.

I honestly do not think 851.1625 should be listed as a control channel on a 700MHz system when it is being used as a voice channel on an 800MHz system, and has not been physically seen as a control channel on any system....



This is what dsd showed in January

2018/01/31 21:40:18 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct
2018/01/31 21:40:19 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-25 851.162500


Today Dsd lists the following,

2018/07/11 18:58:10 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct
2018/07/11 18:58:25 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-25 851.162500 FAILED, ISOLATED

What is FAILED, ISOLATED mean?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 12 2018, 05:05am



Which is normally how Motorola sets up an ASTRO 25 system, but I wanted to be sure, since the new SDS100 will prevent the scanner from unmuting with an incorrect NAC.




Just to clarify one important point...the new P25 system is not exclusively a "700 MHz system", but rather is a mixed 700/800 MHz system. For the purposes of an ASTRO 25 system, Motorola considers 700 and 800 to be a single band, and sites can feature a mixture of 700 and 800 MHz frequencies.

Adjacent sites (aka "peers" or "neighbors") are entered into the Zone Controller, and are then broadcast over the control channels of whichever site(s) are adjacent to each other. It's worth noting that the site does not need to physically exist, it can be a "paper site" that exists in the Zone Controller only.

It appears that is what was seen with Site 4. The fact that it now shows FAILED, ISOLATED further reinforces that it doesn't physically exist yet.

You are correct in that it would be highly unusual to have a frequency as part of the P25 system while it is still actively part of the SmartZone system.

I've removed Site 4 from the database.

Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jul 25 2018, 11:02pm

So the 2 active sites with control channel data display nac as 3C then the site number, ie: Site 3 is 3C3 and Site 6 is 3C6

Had sdrtrunk running on a few suff digital channels, and saw nac 3C4 on that freq that was originally in the database as site 4. 851.1625. Not sure what I am looking at but first time I ever saw 3C4 in there. I also have not used sdrtrunk in a few months.

What does the message mean?








Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 26 2018, 02:23am

It means that a NAC of 3C4 is detected on 851.1625

Beyond that, I'm not sure what you're decoding. Is there an active P25 control channel on any of those four frequencies? What about a data channel?

Are you 100% certain that the four lowest 851 MHz frequencies are still actively part of the SmartZone system? It looks like that software is detecting FDMA activity on 851.0625, 851.0875, 851.1625, and 851.2375. That could be from a pure P25 system, or digital talkgroups from the SmartZone system, although it looks like most are analog.

Frankly, I'm not familiar with SDRTrunk, so I'm not certain how you're getting the data you're getting. I would prefer if you ran the latest DSD+ Fast Lane to get a clearer picture of what those channels are being used for.

At the very least, I would scan the entire 769-775 and 851-854 spectrum and see how many P25 control channels you find, specifically any for SysID 3CE.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Jul 26 2018, 09:55pm

Found site #4 for the p25 system. siteid 001-004 control channel 851.1625 alternates of 852.425, 852.675, 852.7375 and then voice channels 853.125 & 853.225. the 1st precinct site is listed as a peer. 3611 is an active tg 6th precinct patch from the smartzone system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 26 2018, 10:34pm

Excellent work, Hawk! Site and talkgroup added (back) to RRDB.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jul 26 2018, 10:46pm

Would it be possible for someone to observe the SmartZone system main simulcast for a few days in the software of your choice, and verify whether any of the following frequencies that are now part of Site 4 of the P25 system are still in use on the SmartZone system? It would be unusual for them to be active on two systems, but not entirely impossible. If no activity is observed on the 3D0C SmartZone system, I'm going to remove them. Thanks!

851.1625
852.425
852.675
852.7375
853.125
853.225

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Jul 26 2018, 11:00pm

852.6750, 852.7375, are still part of the smartzone system ill check the others when i get more time

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jul 27 2018, 12:55am

Going to Patchogue tomorrow. Will bring 436 and maybe laptop.

Lol BSI=CHANGEME CH 853.225

Sdrsharp results
851.1625 Barely getting cc decodes in East Islip, but do see a cc
852.4250 silent for 40 minutes
852.6750 analog voice
852.7375 analog voice
853.1250 analog voice
853.2250 silent for 40 minutes

Unitrunker results

2 radio joins in last 40 minutes.
radio id's
10852 (4th pct unit) target=54576 4th pct talk group on 800 smartzone
24016 (unknown) target=24016 enc talk group on 800 smartzone

Sdrtrunk results






Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jul 27 2018, 08:38pm

And just like that site 4 is no longer on the air and 851.1625 is being used on the smartzone system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jul 27 2018, 11:22pm

Yup. Was just over there and was hearing analog voice on 851.1625.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:51am

The other day when site 4 went on air, I could barely get the control channel. Yesterday and today, signal is booming. I know site 4 shows in database as being Selden, but is it possible its simulcast? Going west of East Islip today and will post again later... 851.1625 is on the air as of 7 40 am today..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 01 2018, 05:40pm

Most of those 800 MHz frequencies are licensed at multiple sites, and given the size of most of the Suffolk PD precincts, it's certainly possible that they will be simulcasting. Possibly even Site 6 for the 1st Precinct, which no one has ever determined.

ASTRO 25 simulcast cells use LSM (CQPSK), vs C4FM for standalone sites. The control channels have very different sounds to them if you listen with an analog receiver. They also have much different looking waveforms if you view them in a program like Unitrunker. It's pretty easy to determine whether a site is standalone C4FM or an LSM simulcast cell by looking and listening.

It's also worth pointing out that of the five YE licenses the county holds, only two of them have any P25 emissions, and both of those licenses are for the same site in Huntington. I'm not sure I'd put a whole lot of faith in those licenses when it comes to trying to figure this system out.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Aug 01 2018, 10:27pm

852.4250 is the current control channel and talk group 3511 5th precinct is active 6:27pm 8/1/18

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Aug 01 2018, 10:42pm

Im going to guess site 4 is simulcast as my 996p2s are having a hard time decoding it

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:46pm

Seems like that. Was getting good signal earlier today. Was in East Islip, Setauket , Babylon and East Farmingdale. Was getting control channel data in all those towns...

In Unitrunker, site 3 simulcast does not list any peers. Tho site 4, lists site 6 as a peer..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:51pm

If possible, please post a screenshot of the wave pattern seen in the Unitrunker receiver. Even better if you can post a short audio clip of the control channel being received in analog mode. I can tell you if Site 4 is simulcast or not. If you're in range of Site 6, please do the same and I'll determine whether that is simulcast as well. Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 01 2018, 11:55pm

Incidentally, is the 5th Precinct talkgroup being heard on Site 4? Are any or all of those talkgroups being heard on the 700 MHz simulcast Site 3 as well?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 02 2018, 03:22am

nothing on the 700mhz and I am a little far from the 1st precinct site to get a good signal unless atmospheric conditions are good. I am not using discriminator audio im using the control channel data output to feed unitrunker. Audio on my G5 sounds really good and I have good signal around sayville west sayville area.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Aug 02 2018, 11:49am

Yes Gtr, the 5th pct was being used last night. This morning, it seems the 6th pct 3611 and the 5th pct 3511 are both using site 4.







Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Aug 02 2018, 05:51pm

Site 4 is confirmed LSM, i.e. a simulcast cell. Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 02 2018, 10:17pm

so we have
site 3 700mhz simulcast
site 4 800mhz simulcast
site 5 ?
site 6 1st precinct

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Aug 02 2018, 10:31pm

What are the freqs you have for 5?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 02 2018, 11:13pm

I'm assuming there is a site 5. I wonder what St. Charles hospital sites number is if its 5 or is it 7. And what happens to site 2 aka huntington on the smartzone system once its upgraded and becomes part of the digital system since its seams site 1 of the smartzone system becomes site 4 on the digital system. plus theres 700mhz frequencies listed for sites in the Hamptons so what site number would those be.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Aug 03 2018, 12:52pm


Looking thru Unitrunker, I see that a Nac of 3C7 was active Tuesday. The freq in the pic is part is site 3.




I have never seen this before, what is it?



Also, from my home, signal was booming yesterday on cc 852.4250. Today, 851.1625 is not as strong.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Aug 03 2018, 04:28pm



Reading through all of the issues you seem to be having with Unitrunker v2, I wouldn't put a whole lot of faith in anything you're seeing there.

As for DSD+, take one-off stuff like that with a grain of salt, almost certainly a bad decode.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Aug 06 2018, 08:36pm

New talk groups herd today
3803 Command Band
1376 Radio Techs Astro. Sounds like it allows the techs radio to affiliate with the best site whether thats the 800mhz simulcast or the 1st precinct site if they are in range.
Lots of radio testing in various parts of the county was herd today.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Radio5390, Tue Aug 07 2018, 07:05pm

What type of scanner is needed to monitor this system?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Aug 07 2018, 10:27pm

Unication G4 or G5 and Uniden SDS100. You can try with anything from a 996xt and newer as right now the talkgroups are fdma, aka p25 phase 1. Your only issue being how bad the simulcast signals are for your listening area.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 01 2018, 01:29pm

Anything new with this?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 02 2018, 05:14am

talk group id 19 testing one of the transit talk groups from the legacy system. That's all i got right now.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 02 2018, 11:28am

Would this be on site 4? Used to get 6 from my location but not lately and everytime I check site 3, there is nothing going on.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 02 2018, 06:36pm

yes all on site 4. site 3 is going to be used for the fire departments that switch to the trs, and you wont hear anything on site 6 unless theres a radio affiliated to that site.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 02 2018, 06:53pm

site 4 talkgroup 11 is active testing the minivan tg 176 from the legacy system
also tg25 now testing inter county coach tg 400 from the legacy system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Oct 03 2018, 01:12pm

Just saw tg 17 (tg 272 Suffolk Bus1)

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Oct 05 2018, 06:13pm

Interesting

Up until tg 25 came active, the other 2 freqs hex tg's matched up with the dec tg's.

11 = 272 Suffolk Bus1
17 = 368 Sunrise Bus


25 =
But tg 25, according to the db, should be tg 592 on the 800 system. The traffic is buses calling pond road.

From the db



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Oct 05 2018, 09:48pm

Make sure you're not confusing DEC with HEX.

Also keep in mind that when converting talkgroups between the old Type II system and the new P25 system, the HEX values are the same, but the DEC are not.

The DEC values going from Type II to P25 are divided by 16, or if going from P25 to Type II, multiply by 16.

For example:

Type II talkgroup 272 DEC (011 HEX) "Suffolk Bus Corp (Western Townships)" would convert to 17 DEC on the P25 system (272 divided by 16 equals 17), but the HEX value of 011 would be consistent on both systems.

Likewise, if you saw 17 DEC pop up on the P25 system, you can simply multiply by 16 to find the 272 DEC value on the Type II system to match them up.

So 25 DEC on the P25 system works out to be 400 on the Type II system (multiply 25 by 16), which means that it's the "Intercounty Coach (Western Townships)" talkgroup.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Oct 06 2018, 06:06am

This is what i have so far
p25 tg 17 suffolk bus 1 western township moto type2 tg 272
p25 tg 25 intercounty coach moto type 2 tg 400
p25 tg 11 mini vans moto type 2 tg 176
p25 tg 19 i havent confirmed but acoording to gtr8000s above info would work out to moto type 2 tg 304 which is babylon bus

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 09 2018, 12:10pm




Thanks for the breakdown. That clears it up now..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 09 2018, 12:12pm




Any idea which depts might use the system or are they all getting one radio issued by fres?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Oct 09 2018, 06:35pm

We will have to wait and see which departments switch to the 700mhz site for their dispatch communications.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Oct 09 2018, 08:05pm

So its going to be for dispatch? I thought I read it was going to be used as interops and mutual aid / fireground. Time will tell

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 10 2018, 05:09am

for chiefs and apparatus to dispatch. fire ground i would assume would be 700mhz simplex

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 10 2018, 04:53pm

add P25 TG 23 Sunrise Coach/Hampton Jitney buses (East End) moto type 2 tg 368 to the list of active tgs on the p25 system

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Oct 10 2018, 06:05pm

1st pct was on site for for about 30 minutes this morning. Now just buses. Also noticed here in E Islip that the signal is not as strong as its been in the past...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Oct 12 2018, 07:02pm

new tg 22001 is active sounds like pd but unable to determine the user as of yet
edit: think it might be Southampton town pd. herd them reference Stevenson's toys
edit edit: I think it maybe southampton village pd

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Oct 15 2018, 03:43am

got confirmation today its southampton village pd. Also saw tg id 3711 active for a brief period today.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Oct 15 2018, 11:34am

Seems 22003 would be theirs also.



I see many "no resource available". There are 6 freqs for site 4 and 4 of them are control and alt control channels. I do see the first, 851.1625 (which is an alt cc right now) being used for voice. I have not seen any voice on the 3rd or 4th alt cc today.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Mon Oct 15 2018, 10:03pm

Fellas, if you would be so kind, please submit these findings to the RRDB after confirmation so that Phil or I can get them added to the system.

I've added most of what was already found to the system based on the posts here, but it's much better to have the submitted directly to avoid confusion.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 17 2018, 04:55am

So its looking like radio ids that are 7 digits are users on the digital side and the 5 digit radio ids are on the analogue side.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Oct 17 2018, 11:47am

When rid 65520 (suffolk bus vans dispatcher) keys up on the 800, it shows up on the 700 system as 7126296. The same with intercounty coach rid 7126054 on 700mhz, showing as 15001 on 800mhz. As seen in the pic, 700 in dsd (left) and 800 in unitrunker (right)..

So what's the deal with that? Is that unit using a new radio or a flashed radio?






Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 17 2018, 06:44pm

if they are using a console i would assume its possible they have it routed to both sites to get the best audio quality on both sites. were as the audio quality when going from the analogue site patched to the digital site isn't the greatest.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 26 2018, 08:50pm

Heard a bus telling dispatch that it was having trouble with the AVL, (auto vehicle locator). Anyone know anything about the avl system? I never see llrp data on those freqs when in DSDPlus.

They do have this and I was wondering if it is able to monitored with sdr dongles.

[link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Dec 19 2018, 12:31pm

so it appears that the minivans are completely digital now and are no longer being herd on the analog system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Jan 15 2019, 07:08pm

7th precinct now being herd on the 800mhz digital system. i dont know if thats temporary or if they are going to start moving the 7th precinct units to the digital side. 1/15/19 14:08

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Wed Jan 23 2019, 10:53am

What is the talk group? 3711 ?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jan 25 2019, 06:20am

correct 3711 for the 7th precinct. as i type this command band is active on the digital system 1:20am 1/25/19

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jan 31 2019, 07:50pm

Has anyone noticed that the p25 800 simulcast is now using 3 more freqs?








Anyone have any info on the 700mhz set up? Heard very brief testing a few days ago but then nothing.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jan 31 2019, 10:08pm

And of course all of those frequencies except 851.00625 is part of the main simulcast of the 3600 system *rolleyes*

I assume that the 3600 system is still very active, and that all of the frequencies that have been seen on the P25 system are also still active on the 3600 system?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jan 31 2019, 10:29pm

I have the original 22 freqs still in my Unitrunker on the smartzone from its download from a while ago. I will watch those 3 freqs to see if any are being used on the smartzone system.

Right now I am taking advantage of the propagation conditions and am running doitt uhf in Unitrunker right now. Not everyday I actually receive that one.

The doitt uhf p25 simulcast, on the other hand, comes in great everyday with op25 on the pi. They are still doing testing on that one.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Feb 01 2019, 12:51pm



Let Unitrunker run all night. Freqs are arranged in date last seen order. From 852.9250 down are not being used. Most likely, 852.4 is still smartzone, just did not get used last night.

852.85 and 852 925 made the switch 11 days ago..







Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Feb 01 2019, 09:18pm

Excellent documentation, thanks!

I'm going to update the RRDB for both systems based upon your observations. Although I'm not quite convinced that 851.00625 is valid on the P25 system. That frequency is the base value for the FDMA band plan entry 0 (or 1 in Motorola CPS), which is why no channel # is displayed (it's effectively LCN 0-0000)

If you get a chance, can you run Unitrunker against the P25 system, and see if 851.00625 pops up with some hits? Or I guess restart DSD+ and see if it appears again and if there is actually any channel activity on it.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Feb 01 2019, 09:56pm

When the 800 simulcast starts up, 851.00625 does not display itself or a channel number right away even tho it's in the DSDPlus.P25data file (shown below). All the others do start right up and display the ch number.

Have it running now. Going to watch while I wait for my turkey burgers . Now its been a while. I am going to add it to Unitrunker since Unitrunker will log channel activity.. I programmed it at 5 09 pm. Lets see when it shows a first seen..




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Feb 02 2019, 01:40am

It would be nice if DSD+ logged channel hits in the p25data file.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Feb 02 2019, 04:37pm

So dsd and unitrunker have been running since my last post around 5pm. Almost 18 hours and Unutrunker does not list a first seen date, and dsd is not showing 851.00625 in the cc channel activity window. I will resume this on Monday when there will be much more traffic. The freq was loaded earlier in the day so maybe it comes up when the system is very busy.

I have seen a few times where every freq was being used. Looking at my dsdgroups file, there are 13 definite tg's that have had activity. . Usually it's just the 6 bus related , Command and 7th (or 5th) , S Hampton Village and occasionally the buses use Countywide 1. So this setup has been maxed out at times. 8 freqs and 10 talk groups.







Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 01 2019, 02:57pm

Anyone have anything new about site 3 or anything else with this system ?



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Sun Mar 03 2019, 10:55pm

Not sure why but i seem to be able to pick up the 800mhz freqs OK depending on the location in nassau
but i only seem to pick up the 700mhz freqs when in or closer to suffolk


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Mar 14 2019, 01:47am

hospital north now on the digital side tgid 155

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 15 2019, 06:32pm

hospital south now on the digital side as well tgid 157

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 15 2019, 07:16pm

They also seem to have created 8 new tg's that are not on the 800 system.

And established tg's for,

Med Comm East tg 151
Med Comm West tg 153








22003 and 22005 may be related to South Hampton Village as I see some rid's from 22001 (South Hampton Village) in the history of 22003 and 22005. Time will tell.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 15 2019, 09:16pm

this is what i have logged so far. Anything in red is unconfirmed.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 15 2019, 09:48pm

How long has that been running? I may have found another bug in Unitrunker.

tg 1601 ( 25616 (enc) on 800 ) is in my site 3c4 from last thursday.
tg 3 countywide 2 was seen last weekend with the st pats parade and the week before in the east islip st pats parade.

Everything in red I have also.

I will do a better comparison later as I have a function at my sons school.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 15 2019, 10:43pm

every so often i run unitunker. i have some decoding issues due to the simulcast nature of the system using a 996p2. ill leave it run 24-7 this week and see ifanything gets added

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
kmilcar78, Sat Mar 16 2019, 07:11pm

so quick question when is suffolk county police dept. is ganna be deprecated
and also swich to p25 fully digital ?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Sat Mar 16 2019, 09:10pm

Another observation - recently ive noticed the sound quality/power level of suffolk med dispatch 155.280 PL 156.7 has been deteriorating
Im usually able to get decent strength on that even in nassau but not recently - id say in the past few weeks/month or so
Not sure if thats a sign of anything or what ...



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Mar 21 2019, 10:30pm

spent some time today on my lunch break monitoring the 1st precinct site, the only traffic i picked up was the 1st precinct talk group from the type 2 system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
RADIOTECH, Fri Mar 22 2019, 03:36am



Suffolk FRES has multiple transmitters located throughout the county. You might be hearing them use one near you 5 by 5 and then using one distant. Maybe that’s why they sound weak? The vhf low band and vhf-high band transmitters push a lot of power. Nothing has changed.

As far as encryption. My friend is a tech working on the system. I don’t know what or when, but it is coming. Most likely all the law enformcent.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 22 2019, 02:44pm

I know I read somewhere that license WQVX716 was Terminated . It was one of the first licenses that was posted here. How might this impact whatever their original plan was?

Has anyone seen any of the Port Jefferson freqs online yet?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 22 2019, 06:05pm

after a week of running unitrunker 24-7. not in the screen shot is talk group 22005 believed to be a 3rd channel for Southampton village pd



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Mar 22 2019, 07:27pm

picked up an sds 200 to compare to my unication g5 and so far the G5 is receiving better than the sds200. The sds200 is missing quick transmissions like if a unit keys up and says 10-4 i wont hear it on the sds but i will hear it on the g5. Also the g5 audio is almost always perfect where as the sds200 does have some breakup mid transmission its only occasionally but it does happen more than the g5.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Mar 31 2019, 08:54pm

add medcom east tg id 151 and medcom west tg id 153. both now active

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Wed Apr 10 2019, 07:27pm

In the past few days ive been getting activity on 460.300 PL 67.0 which seems to be simulcasting FRES calls
Not sure if this is relevant to the trunk system or not or where this is coming from (i am guessing babylon WQJF221)
Just a heads up


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 11 2019, 12:00pm

What's the other freq your hearing fres calls on?

Ahh, just heard Bayshore and Kings Park get toned out on 460.3. I am watching all 3 trunked systems and so far don't see a connection..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Apr 11 2019, 08:37pm

fres dispatch is now on the digital system tg id 85. Can you have a talk group id of 0 on a p25 trunked system?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 12 2019, 12:24am


No, 0 is not a valid talkgroup ID. In what context are you seeing a TGID of 0?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 12 2019, 01:26am

I see tg 0 in unitrunker all the time. Not sure if its a unitrunker thing or not, but, I do not see a tg of 0 listed in dsd .

Also, most of the newer tg's on the new system are not consistent. I run the p25 against the smartzone and will here a few 3rd pct calls on p25, then they stop but keep going on the 800. Command band is on and off. Same with the 7th pct. Not 24/7. That's why I have not reported many findings until I notice it's not on smartzone anymore or is 24/7 simulcast. Tg 85 has been on and off for about a week.

Tg 22005 is some kind of new med dispatching that's not on the 800 system and only seen on site 4. They are using Suffolk Fire codes.

Tg 22005 = 352080 (on 800 smartzone) and the highest smartzone tg is 65488. I have not seen any tg on at the same time as 22005 is active.

Site 3 is pretty dead except for an occasional radio test or a radio denial. Tg 6301 seems to maybe FRES related and has only been seen (at least by me) on site 3.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Fri Apr 12 2019, 02:53pm



I hear suffolk dispatches on 464.200 PL 77.0 and 478.325 DPL 331 as well
Im not sure if its an actual simulcast or only certain depts are heard toning out
Both freqs are licensed to commercial radio companies [link] [link]
Also i have been hearing those for at least in the past year or so

Its interesting that literally just in the past week i have noticed the activity on 460.300 PL 67.0 and now a FRES talk group appears on the P25 system





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:14pm

talk group id 0 popped up in unitrunker. i have an idea of who maybe using 6301 but its used so infrequent i haven't been able to confirm if its a second channel for MacArthur crash fire rescue and yes I've only seen it on site 3 700mhz. as far as command and any precinct on site 4 800mhz p25 you will only here it if there's a radio affiliated to the talk group on site 4. the only full time talk groups right now are transit, Southampton village,hospital south &north, medcom east & west. I cant tell if the fres dispatch is full time cause its not very active generally on either analogue or digital

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:22pm

If you see a 0 for the Source or Target in Unitrunker, it's something other than a talkgroup. Often you'll see a 0 when the system is denying a radio (registration or affiliation) for whatever reason (invalid ID, insufficient permissions, etc.) You might also see a 0 as the Source ID if a console patch is being used in certain configurations.

If you could give specific examples of when you see a 0 in a field in Unitrunker, I can give you a better explanation of what is going on. But 0 is definitely not a valid ID for either a talkgroup or a subscriber, so it's indicating something else.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:30pm


Any talkgroups with an ID of 4095 or higher will be exclusive to the P25 system. SmartZone systems are only capable of 4094 talkgroups (1-65504 in Type II format, or 1-FFE in HEX).

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 12 2019, 09:32pm

it was listen under groups for the system in unitrunker

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Apr 13 2019, 03:08am


That's normal in Unitrunker. It's not a valid talkgroup, just a place holder for certain system activity. Similar to how TGID 65536 is a placeholder for the BSI, not an actual talkgroup.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Apr 13 2019, 02:23pm

what is bsi. always wondered why 65536 would come up.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Apr 13 2019, 07:11pm

BSI = Base Station Identification

It's the CWID (Morse code) of one of the system call signs that is transmitted in analog on one of the frequencies which is designated for that purpose.

When the BSI is being broadcast, it's also encoded over the control channel, ergo why you see Unitrunker indicate "calls" on TG 65536 every half hour. There is no actual TG 65536 in the system, it's merely something the developer of Unitrunker wrote into the software long ago to capture the BSI events.

Newer releases of the Motorola ASTRO 25 system software will not only transmit the BSI every half hour on a designated frequency, but will also continuously broadcast it over the control channel. If you're tracking an ASTRO 25 system at system release 7.16 or newer, you're basically going to see 65536 constantly on the control channel frequency.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Apr 13 2019, 08:37pm

ah. Im thinking tg id 22005 is southampton village volunteer ambulance. listen and see what you guys think it might be

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Apr 13 2019, 10:46pm



Not familiar with them. How many buses do they have?

I have logged 57 radio id's on that tg.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
innokuous1, Sun Apr 14 2019, 02:20am

(Quote: I hear suffolk dispatches on 464.200 PL 77.0 and 478.325 DPL 331 as well)

478.325 MHz DPL 331 is the UHF repeater for Central Islip Hauppauge Volunteer Ambulance.

When they get activated by Medcom on 155.280 MHz, that activation gets re-transmitted on 478.325 MHz
and when the activation is over they use the repeater for in house comms.

I'm not familiar with the technical term or the equipment that's used to do the re-transmitting, but I hear many Suffolk
County fire departments doing the same thing going from 46.46 MHz to their in house UHF systems for activation's.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Darkstar350, Sun Apr 14 2019, 10:22am



Oh I see
I wonder if something similar will happen with a TG on the system

Also does anyone get activity on TG 6256 and 6257?
Not sure what those may be but i have them written down for some reason...



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Apr 14 2019, 03:07pm

I remember when they first started doing testing (back in 2016) (and on site 3) that 6256 and 6257 were being used. I have not seen either of those in use lately.


[link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Apr 14 2019, 09:04pm

6256 and 6257 were used for testing when the system was first being built. I have 56 radios id on 22005.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 15 2019, 06:48pm



They have 7 vehicles.

Buses,
7-18-16
7-18-17
7-18-18

Tahoe's
7-18-30
7-18-30
7-18-30

And an 80 unit
7-18-80

How many radios total would a shop this size possibly have? I would think each bus would have one in the front and one in the back. Not sure how many members would have portables.

Who ever it is, is now on the county trs and the licenses will not reflect the trunked system. I looked trying to get an idea how many radios the licenses had listed to try to narrow it down. Google says Southampton Village Ambulance is located at 44 Meeting House Ln, Southampton, NY 11968. None of these licenses reflect that address..

Looked at the license listed in the db for Southampton Village Ambulance and it comes back to WPUN496 - SOUTHAMPTON, VILLAGE OF and mentions police and fire.

Looked at the license listed in the db for Southampton Ambulance, and that comes back to WPLV865 - SHIRLEY COMMUNITY AMBULANCE

Looked at the license listed in the db for Southampton Town Ambulance and that comes back to WPFG967 - SOUTHAMPTON, TOWN OF


I will try to catch some addresses and see what happens. Has anyone heard any and if so, are they in that area?





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Apr 16 2019, 10:49pm

FRES now active talk group 161. took a trip out east the weekend before last, brought my g5 with me and had great reception till about amagansett.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Apr 18 2019, 12:04am

GTR8000 saw tg id 0 pop up. source id is 240223 action is call and target id is 0

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Apr 18 2019, 05:25am


What was displayed in the SVC column?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 19 2019, 04:41pm

there was a - in the svc column. Also tg141 is active, its 155.28000mhz county wide ems dispatch put onto the trunked system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:14pm

Hawk, when tg 141 is active, what does it show in your source column? I and seeing rid of 0.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:21pm


Hmm, a dash in the SVC column basically means that Unitrunker couldn't determine what type of call it was, meaning it could be an invalid entry. If the control channel signal is kind of weak, you're likely to see bad decodes. I'm not saying it's 100% bad decodes, but if it were a legitimate call, you would've seen something like 4 or P4 or Dat in that SVC column, not a -

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:23pm


I believe you're running UT v2, based on your post history in the Google group. If you are seeing a 0 in the Source column for nearly every voice call on that TG, that normally indicates a console patch is in place. In this case, likely a patch between 155.280 conventional and TG 141 trunking, through one of the system consoles. That would explain the 0 Source ID, as ASTRO 25 systems do not encode the ID of the console with patches like that.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 19 2019, 05:42pm

Unitrunker shows source (rid) of 0 .










DSDPlus shows EXTERNAL as source




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 06:14pm


Yep, that is indeed a console patch from conventional to trunking.

Originally, DSD+ didn't handle those patches well, until I alerted the DSD+ authors of these types of ASTRO 25 console patches (which we started doing on our system a few years ago), so they updated the software to display EXTERNAL. I personally would've used a word that more clearly describes what is happening, but at least they fixed the main issue with the patches. Meh.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 19 2019, 06:28pm

DSDPlus does not log anything in the radios file as EXTERNAL is not a valid rid.

Anyone have any word on who exactly will utilize the site 4 800 simulcast? Seeing a bunch of group not ready and channel resource not available. Seems like it's getting crowded. Looks like Command band has priority as I have see bus tg change to command band during transmissions.


Heading towards Port Jeff and will see if those freqs are active. Do see a bunch of log-ins and what not on site 3 700 but not really any voice.

Just curiuos what the overall plan might be.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 19 2019, 08:19pm

unitrunker isn't showing a source id for tg 141. as far as i know everything thats currently on the 800 type 2 system will be on site 4 800mhz p25. the 700mhz site 3 will be used for fire departments that want to use the county system for there department dispatch traffic with 700mhz conventional channels being fire ground ops. also herd some traffic on 22005, "dispatch 7-18-18 signal 5" and also " 30 dispatch we will be signal 5 no patient found".

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 08:47pm


Correct, because "EXTERNAL" equates to RID 0, which is not an actual valid ID. Same as TGID 0, which is not valid.

Also important to point out that you two are using different versions of Unitrunker, which display things differently in some cases. v2 will display a Source/Target ID of 0 for some of these events, whereas v1 will not. The console patches is one example where v2 displays Source ID 0 while v1 displays a blank Source ID. Something to keep in mind when comparing notes.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 19 2019, 09:32pm

What is the latest version? on unitrunker.com i see 1.0.33.6 as the last version

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Apr 19 2019, 10:24pm


1.0.33.6 is indeed the last publicly released version.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Apr 20 2019, 11:58am







And I am running the latest version 2.0 beta. 2.0.0.73


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Apr 29 2019, 10:09pm

Any one able to monitor the 1st precinct site and see if there's any traffic,

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat May 04 2019, 03:40pm



1st pct site has some traffic. Have not compared to 436 to see if every 1st pct radio is using it or not.

Also seeing tg 157 hospital north starting to carry traffic on the 1st pct site at the same time its on site 4.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed May 08 2019, 04:59am

Riverhead Pd Dispatch is now active tg 103

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Aug 20 2019, 09:55pm

165 on p25, 2640 on 800, FRES OPS-2 seems to be being used for rescue calls yesterday into today. Anyone in the know , know if its permanent or temporary? Never really received much on that tg.. And never really was interested in medical related calls..

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Aug 21 2019, 05:18am

I know some departments in the 5th division were trying trunking for their dispatch channel, I guess to see if they like it enough to move to the 700-mhz site could be related to that.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Aug 21 2019, 12:51pm

Gonna leave 700 site 3 running today and see if there is any activity.

What I was hearing yesterday was on analog 800 and p25 site 4 ( 800mhz ) It was ems related that I was hearing. Dispatch would announce Suffolk emt's then go on with the call. Units calling in call Headquarters.

Curious how this will pan out in the end. Right now there are 8 county pd tgs (not counting pd ops or any det channels) and only 8 freqs on site 4. I remember hearing that pd has priority on the system so if there is a transit or medcom call during a time when all pd tgs need the air, the other users get kicked until a freq opens up.

Anyone know if pd will be exclusive on a site and everyone else would use a different site?.

Site 6 is hit or miss for me. I do not get great signal but when there is traffic I am able to make it out.

I have not seen anything on the freqs that were assumed to be a Port Jeff site and not sure if the 2 terminated licenses ( WQWS812 WQVX716 ) were replaced with anything new.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 21 2019, 04:37pm


The P25 system is TDMA capable, which means those 8 frequencies become 1 control + 14 traffic channels. That is actually more capacity than the current analog SmartZone primary simulcast cell (1 control + 13 traffic channels), and of course doesn't take into account the other sites/simulcast cells in the P25 system, which increases the capacity even more. 700 and 800 MHz are considered a single band on these systems and the subscriber radios, which means they will have no trouble at all roaming between any of the P25 sites when permitted to do so.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Aug 23 2019, 11:39am



Just heard someone in 6th batt say they are going back to their primary repeater. Read yesterday the Riverhead vac's repeater broke down and fres loaned them 20 vhf radios.

[link]

I know news 12 is often wrong with details. I don't listen to vhf ambulance stuff but does fres vhf simulcast on p25 or even 800? I do have 29 rid's logged for fres ops 2 tg in both analog and p25. I am thinking it's been Riverhead ambulance I was hearing.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Aug 23 2019, 11:39am



Yes, 1 control + 13 traffic for smartzone now, but I remember the smartzone system was actually 1 cc and 21 voice freqs before they started using some of the analog freqs as p25. Also the smartzone does not have any of the transit tg's on there anymore.

I have not seen slot 1 slot 2 use on the p25 800 as of yet but do see "[GC] Channel Resource Not Available;" many times during the day mostly when a transit bus are trying to talk and the other freqs are in use.

I did catch some on 700 yesterday,

Site: 1.3 NAC=3C3 BSI=WQVX713 ; 700 Simulcast

Channel 1-1328: 770.30625 BSI
Channel 3-1360: 770.50625-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1361: 770.50625-2 VOICE
Channel 3-1452: 771.08125-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1453: 771.08125-2 VOICE
Channel 3-1532: 771.58125-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1593: 771.95625-2 VOICE
Channel 1-1644: 772.28125 SCC
Channel 1-1746: 772.91875 SCC
Channel 1-1864: 773.65625 SCC
Channel 1-1944: 774.15625 CC


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Aug 24 2019, 01:17pm

Last night,

Pd ops 3 on 800 is 48112 Divide that by 16 and get 3007. Seeing 3935 active on p25 site 4 with enc group messages when pd ops 3 is active on 800. Not every call

Do not see any patches in unitrunker involving any of the above tg's.

Looked thru dsdplus rid file and do not see any entries logged for 3007 at all. The rid entries logged on 3935 are the same rid's that trunking recorder logged on pd ops 3.

Does anyone else have anything logging the p25 800 mhz site 4 that can have a look for tg 3007 and 3935 starting 10 50 and tell me what you have?

trunking recorder

2:46:43 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 31926
2:16:13 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
2:16:12 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
2:16:03 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
1:23:10 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30918
12:54:55 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
12:54:42 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
12:49:52 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
12:49:49 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
12:49:45 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
12:49:33 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
12:46:48 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 65520
12:46:34 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 65520
12:16:38 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30994
12:03:32 AM 8/24/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30994
11:58:33 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
11:58:24 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
11:57:01 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 31999
11:55:59 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
11:55:43 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
11:55:41 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
11:52:41 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30933
11:52:07 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 10328
11:52:04 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
11:51:56 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 10328
11:20:28 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 31999
11:18:23 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30947
11:14:57 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30918
11:14:31 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
11:14:17 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
11:14:07 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
11:11:00 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
11:10:55 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920
11:10:47 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30980
11:09:45 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 31934
10:50:10 PM 8/23/2019 48112 PD OPS 3 30920

dsdplus rid file

P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 30918, 50, Normal, 95, 2019/08/24 1:23, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 30920, 50, Normal, 16, 2019/08/24 0:49, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 30933, 50, Normal, 25, 2019/08/23 23:52, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 30947, 50, Normal, 9, 2019/08/23 23:18, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 30980, 50, Normal, 9, 2019/08/24 1:23, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 31999, 50, Normal, 9, 2019/08/23 23:20, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 7217062, 50, Normal, 3, 2019/08/24 0:46, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 3935, 16777215, 50, Normal, 1, 2019/08/23 23:52, ""

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Aug 27 2019, 05:15am

I haven't had unitrunker running in a while but i did log 3007 391 hits between 3-17-19 & 5-11-19 also 3935 12 hits between 5-6-19 & 5-29-19

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Aug 27 2019, 11:29am

The rid's that I was seeing on pd ops 3 (48112) were highway units. The matching calls on p25 were on 3935 (tg 63920) which does not match pd ops 3 (3007)

On the p25, pd ops 3 was not showing anything. Just 3935 when pd ops 3 was active on 800 and it was the same rid's.

I only had unitrunker running the 800 and dsdplus was doing the p25.

While ut was running on 800, nothing was active or logged on tg 63920..

If I say I am puzzled by this, someone will chime in with a simple answer.

OK

I am puzzled..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Aug 27 2019, 05:27pm

I can't give you a definitive answer, as this obviously deviates from expected behavior. With the SmartX site converter, you'd certainly expect that the TGID's would match up between systems, so as you pointed out 48112 (BBF) on the SZ system should equate to 3007 (BBF) on the P25 system.

I'm not intimately familiar with the SmartX site converters, however I suspect that they are configurable so that you can prevent particular talkgroups from being linked across systems. You may even be able to create a custom map so that 48112 is linked to 3935, instead of the default 3007. Why they would do this is a mystery to me, but I can't think of any other explanation off the top of my head. I'll poke around in the SmartX configuration manual to see what it says.

Are the other talkgroups on both systems still linked as matching pairs? Is this one the only anomaly you've noticed so far?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Aug 27 2019, 06:48pm

is it possible they would patch it to 3007 so it would be "in the clear" and then patch it to 3935 to maybe test out encryption.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Aug 28 2019, 12:26am

With SmartX, there is no need to patch anything...the device takes care of that natively by automatically translating the 3600 talkgroups to 9600, and vice versa. It is possible that they have some sort of patch between the 48112 talkgroup on the 3600 system with the 3935 TG on the 9600 system. Not all patches will show up in Unitrunker or DSD+.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Aug 28 2019, 12:55am

Only noticed that. Everything else I have seen has been in proper pairs. It was in the paper the next day, (but I already knew it was a dwi checkpoint) with scpd and nyspd in Huntington.

For saturation saturday here on LI, nass suff and state were working together to enforce dwi. [link]

Not sure if 3935 was related or not but I can say that the rids on 800 were highway units and the same, with a few now radios were on 3935. I tagged them to see where they pop up..

Nass is enc and I was not monitoring them and I did not notice the states tg's active during this but see that they had activity on the same date on Troop L Ops 1..


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Sep 06 2019, 08:38pm

I've been mostly successful monitoring this P25 system from my home office in Hicksville with a PRO-668 and a Shure UA820 elevated feed antenna (774MHz - 865MHz). This antenna really pulls in trunked systems. However, today I'm having a really tough time keeping the "T" on, it keeps going to "S" and when it does that it just doesn't pick up. I checked to see if there were any changes to the system on RR and don't see anything. My programming seems spot on. Dumb question but could it be the weather???

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Sep 09 2019, 02:37pm

Saw there was some activity on site 3 on tg 6301. The rid's with hits had conversations and the ones without hit only registered with the tg and did not talk yet. I do not have any info logged on any of these rid's. Does anyone have any of these rid's logged and identified?

Thanks


P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 55127, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 55132, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 55135, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 55137, 50, Normal, 3, 2019/09/07 19:48, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 64132, 50, Normal, 9, 2019/09/06 10:43, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 64135, 50, Normal, 7, 2019/09/06 10:44, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 5141001, 50, Normal, 2, 2019/08/22 15:36, ""
P25, BEE00.3CE, 6301, 5141004, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Sep 09 2019, 09:57pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Sep 20 2019, 07:42am



So its 330 am and my kid is sick. But I noticed more freqs on site 4. I do not see a license yet for 853.9. But I am half asleep..





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Sep 20 2019, 01:12pm

Once I actually see a call on 853.9, I will submit the info.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Fri Sep 20 2019, 01:16pm

Thanks Dave. Nice job catching the additional channels.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Fri Sep 20 2019, 01:19pm



Sorry for the late response. The Shure antenna I have is actually a duck antenna. I’ve been told it’s an elevated feed.

I’ve tried my RS 800MHz duck and it didn’t help.

Today, it’s much better for some reason.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Sep 20 2019, 09:52pm

853.900 is not licensed, not pending, and there's nothing in CAPRAD for it either. Possibly just a bad decode since it looks like it never popped up in the Channel Activity window, even though it was written to the DSDPlus.P25data file. I've learned to take stuff like that with a grain of salt, as I've seen DSD+ and Unitrunker both do some strange stuff from time to time.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Sep 21 2019, 01:41pm

Bad decode?

Nah, Not here, lol.


For kicks, I set up an instance of dsdplus on 853.9 to see if anything comes up. There is a very weak signal coming from somewhere. Most likely CT or NJ.
For whatever reason, dsdplus thinks its seeing NAC:3C4. I will delete it from p25data file but have a feeling it will come back.

2019.09.21 8:21:29 Initiating TCP connection to 127.0.0.1:20002...
2019.09.21 8:21:29 Connected to 127.0.0.1:20002
2019.09.21 8:21:29 TCP link established
2019.09.21 8:41:10 Sync:+P25p1 TDULC ERR12 UNHANDLED EXPLICIT OPCODE: #15 90100000B16CBD99
2019.09.21 8:41:10 Sync:+P25p1 TDULC ERR30
2019.09.21 8:41:10 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:41:12 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:41:25 Sync:+P25p1 NAC:3C4 LDU2 e:DrErBrErFrErErCrEr
2019.09.21 8:41:26 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:43:24 Sync:+P25p2
2019.09.21 8:43:25 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:44:14 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:45:33 Sync:+P25p1 LDU1 e:BrErCrErErErDrErEr
2019.09.21 8:45:33 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:47:26 Sync:+P25p1 LDU1 e:ErFrFrFrFrFrDrErFr
2019.09.21 8:47:27 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:48:18 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:49:09 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:49:21 Sync:+P25p1 unrecoverable NID
2019.09.21 8:49:21 Sync:+P25p1 unknown/invalid DUID: 11
2019.09.21 8:49:21 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:49:28 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:52:08 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:52:30 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:53:36 Sync:+P25p1 unrecoverable NID
2019.09.21 8:53:37 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:54:19 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 8:54:28 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:01:05 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:02:40 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:02:43 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:05:55 Sync:+P25p2
2019.09.21 9:05:55 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:06:17 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:06:54 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:07:46 Sync:+P25p2
2019.09.21 9:07:46 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:08:29 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:11:11 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:11:20 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:13:43 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:13:51 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:14:20 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:14:50 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:16:47 Sync:+P25p2
2019.09.21 9:16:48 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:18:35 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:19:15 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:23:05 Sync:+P25p2
2019.09.21 9:23:06 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:23:06 Sync:+P25p1 unknown/invalid DUID: 2
2019.09.21 9:23:07 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:23:07 Sync:+P25p1 TDULC ERR30
2019.09.21 9:23:08 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:23:08 Sync:+P25p1 LDU1 e:FrDrDrFrFrFrErFrFr
2019.09.21 9:23:09 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:23:23 Sync:+P25p1 unknown/invalid DUID: 13
2019.09.21 9:23:24 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:23:39 Sync:+P25p2 Sync: no sync
2019.09.21 9:24:07 Sync:+P25p1 LDU2 e:ErErFr3FrFrFrDrFr
2019.09.21 9:24:08 Sync: no sync



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Sep 21 2019, 04:45pm

Connecticut has 853.900 licensed in a few counties, and it was in use on the old SmartZone system for the Troop A/I simulcast in and around New Haven County. That system is supposedly off the air now, and I do not see 853.900 listed for any site of the new P25 system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
kmilcar78, Sat Sep 21 2019, 10:58pm

one question when suffolk county is ganna
Be fully digital p25 when is ganna finish?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Sep 22 2019, 01:03pm

I made official submission of the freqs for site 4. Who's gonna get to it first lol

I left off 853.9. 853.9.For whatever reason, dsd sees the nac of 3c4 but the signal is very weak. Left an instance of dsd running to see if anything came up and nothing did. Also deleted 853.9 from p25data file and it has not rewrote itself back..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sun Sep 22 2019, 02:50pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Sep 23 2019, 12:01am



Lol I was surprised to see that... lol


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Mon Sep 23 2019, 12:41am

Submissions on the island are all Phil! Every once in a while I have a brain fart and work one without even thinking, but not usually. I'm more apt to see something here or on RR and make a change directly, but pulling data out of forums tends to encourage bad habits and guys tend to stop making submissions, which is no bueno.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Tue Sep 24 2019, 05:14pm




The date is "when they are done."

I don't think anybody knows outside of LEO's.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Nov 08 2019, 10:54pm

Today pd ops 4 was active with enc. I have a general question about enc on this system, and others. If, lets saw 4 guys are talking and they have enc on, and a 5th user joins, and does not have enc on, can he hear what the others are saying and communicate with them? I guess what I am asking is do their radios automatically un enc when its in use?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Nov 08 2019, 11:32pm


I find myself saying this a lot, but it's true: It depends.

Speaking only from the perspective of a Motorola APX radio, as I'm not overly familiar with other brands. The encryption key is assigned to a talkgroup within the trunked personality for transmit purpose. So you can "strap" a talkgroup for either Clear or Secure transmit, or Select where the user can turn it on/off with a switch on the radio. Separate from that, there is also an option to IGNORE CLEAR RX VOICE which will do exactly what it says, ignore any non-encrypted transmissions. That option is off by default, meaning the radio will unmute for clear transmissions even if the talkgroup is meant to be encrypted.

As long as the correct encryption key is loaded into the radio, it will unmute if the key matches, even if you have the talkgroup set for Clear TX.

So yes, in theory if 4 radios are transmitting in secure mode and 1 radio is transmitting in clear mode, everyone could potentially still hear each other as long as all 5 radios have the correct keys loaded and none of the radios have the Ignore Clear RX Voice feature enabled.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Nov 09 2019, 01:31am

Gtr, thanks for that. It's very informative. I never knew a trunking personality was a thing and am glad I asked. Always wondered how comms worked between secure and clear..

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
PFD Mike, Tue Nov 12 2019, 05:45am

I believe GTR is correct but if the radio is not strapped and there is a clear/secure switch. If Radio #5 transmits he will be in the clear, but the responses from Radios #1-4 will be encrypted.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Nov 15 2019, 08:19pm


Very interesting stuff. Always wanted to know more about how trunking worked...



Any new updates on this system? Seeing some new tg's on site 4 here and there. Site 3 has very little going on. But when it does, its phase 2 .

Any word on who will primarily use site 3?



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 26 2019, 07:32pm

Trying to figure out a radio id. 65520 was heard yesterday as a Sam unit (Hostage Negotiation) on pd ops 2. So that's what I labeled it. Later it was on Hospitals North and a Medcom tg. Then on a Fres . It's all over the place.
Hunt Bay
Hospital North
Hospital South
Sheriff 2
Sheriff 1
MED COMM West
MED COMM East
FRES OPS-1
FRES OPS-2
FRES OPS-3
FRES Dispatch
Command Band
Sheriff Digital
etc
etc

Here is a screenshot of its history. Any ideas who would be transmitting on this variety of tg's?




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Tue Nov 26 2019, 08:02pm

It doesn't look like he is transmitting, he is just affiliating on the talk group. (Grant)

It could be a radio tech, or it could be someone who didn't program their personal radio correctly for Tx Inhibit and is now running rogue on the network.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Nov 26 2019, 09:53pm

Grant = Transmitting (channel grant)
Join = Affiliation

As Phil said, most likely a tech. It's pretty common on trunked systems to have a few techs running around with every talkgroup in their radios, seen it too often to count, and personal experience.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Tue Nov 26 2019, 10:01pm

Duh - that's right. I forgot about the JOIN flag.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 27 2019, 12:10am

The rid is transmitting. Seeing it in UT. Hearing it in trunking recorder. Here is a export of the rid from trunking recorder. Same rid, different voices. WTH?


This is the link to the Trunking Recorder Export-2019-11-26_182005_Radio User-65520-3D0C.mp3. This is an export of just this radio id, on all tg's recorded today. good audio starts at 8.46. Cpu was maxed out from to many programs running at once.


9.33 65520 makes call. Next transmissions is different female replying from same rid. Something is messed up somewhere.

[link] to the mp3

Recording is from smartzone. Now have dsd running side by side and every time 65520 is active on 800, dsd shows a different rid each time. Have not seen it on dsd. Just unitrunker. Just uninstalled and reinstalled and same thing.

Looks like I have to post in the google group.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 27 2019, 02:36pm

Ok so I am not crazy. Got a response in google group. Seems the highest rid allowed on type 2 smartzone is 65535. So everytime I see that rid pop up, it's one of the newer radios on the p25 side with a higher radio id.

Quote
I saw those quite often when the State system was transitioning from Motorola Type 2 to a P25 TRS. It indicated a radio using an ID greater than the capacity of the older systems. 1801234 on P25 would show as 65520 as the older system allowed < 65535 radios (and some are reserved like 65520)

chris
End quote

Also, not related, heard dispatcher on NYS Troop L tg yesterday doing radio tests. Told someone they had just installed APX 5500 radios.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Dec 02 2019, 07:40pm

So it looks like many of the new 7 digit rid's in use, are mostly being used by buses, fres and medcomm tg's. 1 or 2 have popped op on sheriff tg.

Speaking of that tg, just heard SPCA 110 telling sheriff dispatch to hold them out at an address in Central Islip. Are the run under the sheriff?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
kmilcar78, Mon Dec 02 2019, 10:56pm

quick question when is scpd is ganna be fully digital p25
Trunked Talkgoups when is going to fished?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Mon Dec 02 2019, 11:01pm

we'll find out when it happens

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Tue Dec 03 2019, 12:19am

On a more serious note:

I’ve been having difficulty picking up this system for a couple of weeks. My PRO-668 with my high-gain 700/800 duck sits on my home office desk. Usually I can just move it around a little and see the “S” turn to a “T” but lately it’s almost impossible to get a signal. I was hoping that with all the leaves off the trees by now it would only get easier. Anybody know of any Tx changes?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Dec 03 2019, 01:17am


If you're trying to track either of the simulcast cells, then you might try lowering the gain, not increasing it. Less is often more when it comes to simulcast P25 systems. Try turning on attenuation and see if that helps.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
LIScanner101, Tue Dec 03 2019, 02:28am



Thanks for the advice but my apologies for not mentioning that I already tried that. I turned on attenuation and also used antennas with less gain, and combinations thereof.

Tonight I moved my scanner to a window and I was able to lock onto a signal. This gives me the impression that I’m getting less signal at my desk than I used to. I have a window suction-cup rig I use when I travel, I’ll try that tomorrow.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jan 03 2020, 05:00pm

Been hearing east end fire depts using fres ops tg's responding to calls. Kinda nice to be able to monitor stuff that's out of reach on uhf. I did hear islip one day.


Anyone have any updates?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jan 21 2020, 02:05pm

Anyone have any info on what site 3 is going to be used for? Been watching on and off and there is very little activity on that site.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Jan 22 2020, 06:37am

Fire departments that decide to go onto the county trs system. I know a few 5th division fire departments have tested using the moto type 2 system. Currently i beleive 5-8-0 is currently trying out using the moto type 2 system for dispatch on fres ops 3.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jan 22 2020, 11:36am

I have heard the following on fres ops 3 on both type 2 and p26 site 4

3 0 1 Islip
5 7 0 East Moriches
5 8 31 Eastport
7 8 0 Westhampton Beach

Have not heard these guys on site 3 yet. Just 1 tg 6301 that seems related to fire rescue at islip airport.





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jan 22 2020, 09:04pm

Seeing something here. When tg 3935 is active on p25 site 4, tg 48112 active on 800. (Pd Ops 3) Same rid's in use on both systems.

48112 divided by 16 is 3007. 3935 X 16 is 62960. Not adding up. Do not see any patches either. Also, audio is clear on tg 48112 and enc on tg 3935..



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jan 23 2020, 02:35pm

I saw it again when,

pd ops 4 48144 was in use on smartzone and 3937 was in use on p25 3937 x 16 = 62992
pd ops 1 48048 was in use on smartzone and 3931 was in use on p25 3931 x 16 = 62896


Also see the same p25 tg id's in dsdplus so it's not a unitrunker thing.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Jan 23 2020, 07:58pm

You're not going to see a patch between two systems. Patches only appear when talkgroups of the same system are patched together.

While I would've expected the talkgroups to match up when linked via SmartX, it is certainly possible that they're using console patches between the two systems. In fact, that Source ID of 0 on the P25 system is indicative of exactly that, a console patch.

Basically, the two talkgroups from each system are patched together on the console. The UID normally passes through from one system to the other so that it will appear on either system regardless of what system the radio is transmitting on. If the UID doesn't pass through for whatever reason, or if the console is keyed up, it will normally appear as UID 0 in Unitrunker Source ID column, and DSD+ FL labels the source as EXTERNAL.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sun Apr 19 2020, 10:03pm

I was running unitrunker on the 1st precinct site (site 6) yesterday and saw tg1671 pop up a bunch of times. while listening to the talk group with my g5 (thanks phil) I wasn't able to determine who is using the tg and I am not over that way too much to be able to monitor on a regular basis. It didn't seem like it was being broadcast over site 4 (800mhz simulcast). On a side note it has been ever increasingly difficult for me to get a solid decode on the site 4 control channel with my 996p2, does the sds200 have the ability to output control channel data or should i look into using my sdr dongle to feed unitrunker.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sun Apr 19 2020, 10:09pm

I'd use the SDR to feed Unitrunker.
I'm finally getting a good decode on the 1st Pct site with the SDR on DSD Plus. Never had much luck in the past with the 1st Pct.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 20 2020, 02:36am

1671 = 26736 on 800.


Some of the rid's I have logged on 26736 also chat on 25648 (enc) on 800.
Been trying to nail down who they are . I do have a hostage negotiation unit and a kilo unit logged on 25648.





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Apr 22 2020, 12:12am

noticed emergency service unit 4 is operating on site 4. with a radio id in the 7,000,000 range

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Apr 24 2020, 07:37pm

now seeing new york state pd troop L #1 on site 4 tgid 231

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu May 07 2020, 01:04pm

Some kind of medical / fire / ems related tg is active on site 4. tg 30001. Disp calls "willy" units. Heard one say he was canceled buy flanders medic.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri May 22 2020, 01:08pm

Anyone have any insight on tg 30001? Seems to be all out east like in Riverhead and Peconic.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue May 26 2020, 01:10pm

tg 30001 Units are 7 willie x numbers. They have computers in vehicles. They keep using a 10 code that I have not seen listed. 10 87 and they use 10 100 a lot but it does not sound important, like scene emergency..

Heard 1 unit being cancelled by 6 5 80 car. Also heard " 6 5 32 I am 32 on Hempstead Turnpike" (Nassau County)

Also see one of the rid's on tg 30003.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Jun 01 2020, 07:36pm

Suffolk site 3

I just loaded up site 3 in DSDPlus fastlane and was greeted with a message saying info outdated. I searched my DSDPlus folder for BEE00.97F and CC-1-1136 and do not have any of that in my files.

Rock solid signal in the tuner. Where is it getting BEE00.97F from? Never saw this before tho its the newest version that was released last night I think...I installed this morning.

If I load 1st pct up in DSDPlus it registers correctly 1.6 BEE00.3CE

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Jun 02 2020, 03:54am

97F is the East Hampton P25 system, with 01-1136 being the 769.10625 control channel.

I have no earthly idea how the heck you got to that system from trying to monitor 3CE Site 3, as they don't share a single common frequency.

Please remember to check the RRDB when you run into stuff like this...all of the info is right there in plain view.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jun 03 2020, 02:03pm



I know the info is in plain view on rrdb and I was not asking what 97F was but more of how DSDPlus was displaying it. I did find it in the DSDPlus.P25data file, the 1 file I forgot to check.

Either way, how do completely remove an entry from dsdplus? I ask because I deleted everything with BEE00.97F as well as all event logs. Also deleted all info and freqs for site 3 from the p25 data file.. Now, no BEE0097F or any freqs for site 3 in my p25 data file.

Loaded site 4 and it did not appear in the p25 data file.

Loaded site 6 and it did not appear in the p25 data file.

Manually entered cc 774.65625 into fmp24 ( because since I deleted all of site 3 from p25 data file, site loader had nothing to load ) and site 3 built itself and BEE00.97F appears again. So now while on site 3, I had dsdplus rebuild neighbor list even tho it just recreated it, and its still there. .



Maybe I am missing something else. Below is my p25 data file. Everything in red is what I keep deleting, and what keeps coming back after locking on to site 3 cc 774.65625. *** 2 Red items,, all suffolk site 3 and further down, network BEE0097F



; DSD+ 2.254; P25 data
;
; this file is auto-maintained by DSD+
;
; editing of this file should be limited to removal of data known to be incorrect or outdated


MHzDecimalPad = 0 ; controls how DSD+ formats all channel frequencies; range = 0 to 6


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: 45DDD.037

Bandplan #0: Base=769. Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #8: Base=769. Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 10.10 NAC=00E

Neighbor: 45DDD.037-20.20
Neighbor: 45DDD.037-40.40
Neighbor: 45DDD.037-60.60

Channel 0-121: 769.75625 SCC
Channel 8-242: 769.75625-1 VOICE
Channel 0-387: 771.41875 CC
Channel 0-439: 771.74375 SCC
Channel 8-878: 771.74375-1 VOICE
Channel 0-707: 773.41875 SCC
Channel 0-947: 774.91875 SCC


Site: 20.20

Channel 0-385: 771.40625 CC


Site: 40.40

Channel 0-337: 771.10625 CC


Site: 60.60 NAC=00D

Neighbor: 45DDD.037-10.10
Neighbor: 45DDD.037-20.20
Neighbor: 45DDD.037-40.40

Channel 0-449: 771.80625 CC
Channel 0-493: 772.08125 SCC
Channel 8-986: 772.08125-1 VOICE
Channel 0-679: 773.24375 SCC
Channel 8-1358: 773.24375-1 VOICE
Channel 0-783: 773.89375 SCC DATA
Channel 8-1566: 773.89375-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1567: 773.89375-2 VOICE
Channel 0-827: 774.16875 SCC DATA
Channel 8-1654: 774.16875-1 VOICE


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: 580A0.005

Bandplan #0: Base=380. Offset=+10 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #8: Base=380. Offset=+10 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.1 NAC=005

Channel 0-402: 385.025 SCC
Channel 0-477: 385.9625 SCC VOICE
Channel 0-590: 387.375 CC
Channel 0-619: 387.7375 SCC


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: 91FE8.26D

Bandplan #0: Base=851. Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=769. Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #8: Base=851. Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #9: Base=769. Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.1 NAC=904 ; Simulcast

Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-21.21
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-46.46
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-81.81
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-111.111
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-141.141

Channel 0-3: 851.0375 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 0-43: 851.5375 CC SCC
Channel 0-83: 852.0375 CC SCC
Channel 0-123: 852.5375 CC SCC
Channel 0-163: 853.0375 SCC


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: 91FE8.26E

Bandplan #0: Base=851. Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=769. Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #8: Base=851. Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #9: Base=769. Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 21.21 NAC=015

Neighbor: 91FE8.26D-1.1 ; Simulcast
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-46.46
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-51.51
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-81.81
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-111.111
Neighbor: 91FE8.26E-141.141

Channel 1-193: 770.20625 CC SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 9-386: 770.20625-1 VOICE
Channel 9-387: 770.20625-2 VOICE
Channel 1-311: 770.94375 CC SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 9-622: 770.94375-1 VOICE
Channel 9-623: 770.94375-2 VOICE
Channel 1-386: 771.4125 VOICE
Channel 1-622: 772.8875 VOICE
Channel 1-623: 772.89375 VOICE
Channel 1-727: 773.54375 CC SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 9-1454: 773.54375-1 VOICE
Channel 9-1455: 773.54375-2 VOICE
Channel 1-771: 773.81875 CC SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 9-1542: 773.81875-1 VOICE
Channel 9-1543: 773.81875-2 VOICE
Channel 1-845: 774.28125 SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 9-1690: 774.28125-1 VOICE
Channel 9-1691: 774.28125-2 VOICE
Channel 1-1542: 778.6375 VOICE
Channel 1-1690: 779.5625 VOICE


Site: 46.46

Channel 1-115: 769.71875 CC


Site: 51.51

Channel 1-185: 770.15625 CC
Channel 1-229: 770.43125 CC
Channel 1-687: 773.29375 CC


Site: 81.81

Channel 1-145: 769.90625 CC
Channel 1-189: 770.18125 CC
Channel 1-235: 770.46875 CC


Site: 111.111

Channel 1-149: 769.93125 CC
Channel 1-225: 770.40625 CC
Channel 1-269: 770.68125 CC


Site: 141.141

Channel 1-65: 769.40625 CC
Channel 1-115: 769.71875 CC
Channel 1-191: 770.19375 CC


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Network: BEE00.170

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=453.025 Offset=+5 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #3: Base=450. Offset=+5 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #4: Base=400. Offset=+9 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5


Site: 1.2

Channel 3-578: 453.6125 CC


Site: 1.3

Channel 3-566: 453.5375 CC


Site: 1.6

Channel 3-590: 453.6875 CC


Site: 1.17

Channel 2-839: 463.5125 CC


Site: 1.28

Channel 3-1716: 460.725 CC


Site: 1.31 NAC=171

Neighbor: BEE00.170-1.2
Neighbor: BEE00.170-1.3
Neighbor: BEE00.170-1.6
Neighbor: BEE00.170-1.17
Neighbor: BEE00.170-1.28
Neighbor: BEE00.170-1.32
Neighbor: BEE00.170-1.51

Channel 4-1026: 406.4125 CC
Channel 4-1186: 407.4125 SCC
Channel 4-1282: 408.0125 VOICE


Site: 1.32

Channel 3-1712: 460.7 CC


Site: 1.51

Channel 2-4: 453.075 CC


Site: 3.1

Channel 2-25: 453.3375 CC


Site: 3.6 NAC=176

Neighbor: BEE00.170-3.1

Channel 4-1218: 407.6125 CC
Channel 4-1300: 408.125 SCC
Channel 4-1332: 408.325 SCC VOICE


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Network: BEE00.1AE ; Nassau 500

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=500. Offset=+3 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #4: Base=500.2875 Offset=+4.9125 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5


Site: 1.1 NAC=1A0 ; Oyster Bay

Neighbor: BEE00.1AE-1.2 ; Primary
Neighbor: BEE00.1AE-1.3 ; Nassau 800

Channel 2-220: 501.375 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-226: 501.4125 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-260: 501.625 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-264: 501.65 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-276: 501.725 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-296: 501.85 CC SCC
Channel 2-400: 502.5 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-408: 502.55 SCC VOICE
Channel 2-432: 502.7 CC SCC
Channel 2-452: 502.825 CC SCC


Site: 1.2 NAC=1A0 ; Primary

Neighbor: BEE00.1AE-1.1 ; Oyster Bay
Neighbor: BEE00.1AE-1.3 ; Nassau 800

Channel 2-72: 500.45 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-76: 500.475 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-84: 500.525 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-88: 500.55 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-104: 500.65 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-112: 500.7 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-116: 500.725 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-124: 500.775 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-140: 500.875 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-152: 500.95 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-156: 500.975 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-160: 501. VOICE DATA
Channel 2-168: 501.05 CC SCC
Channel 2-172: 501.075 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-180: 501.125 CC SCC
Channel 2-216: 501.35 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-248: 501.55 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-272: 501.7 VOICE DATA
Channel 2-342: 502.1375 VOICE
Channel 2-384: 502.4 CC SCC
Channel 2-3628: 522.675 VOICE
Channel 0-2920: 869.25625 VOICE


Site: 1.3 NAC=1A3 ; Nassau 800

Neighbor: BEE00.1AE-1.1 ; Oyster Bay
Neighbor: BEE00.1AE-1.2 ; Primary

Channel 0-29: 851.1875 CC
Channel 0-53: 851.3375 SCC
Channel 0-93: 851.5875 SCC
Channel 0-99: 851.625 SCC


Site: 1.4 NAC=1A4

Channel 1-1322: 770.26875 CC
Channel 1-1462: 771.14375 SCC
Channel 1-1502: 771.39375 SCC
Channel 1-1584: 771.90625 SCC


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Network: BEE00.1E8

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #4: Base=935.0125 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #5: Base=935.0125 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.21 NAC=1E1 BSI=WQRS246W

Channel 0-677: 855.2375 BSI
Channel 0-769: 855.8125 DATA
Channel 0-841: 856.2625 DATA
Channel 2-840: 856.2625-1 VOICE
Channel 2-841: 856.2625-2 VOICE
Channel 0-1065: 857.6625 DATA
Channel 2-1064: 857.6625-1 VOICE
Channel 2-1065: 857.6625-2 VOICE
Channel 0-1121: 858.0125 SCC
Channel 0-1265: 858.9125 SCC
Channel 0-1321: 859.2625 CC
Channel 0-1417: 859.8625 SCC


Site: 1.22 NAC=1E2

Channel 0-957: 856.9875 SCC
Channel 0-1145: 858.1625 SCC
Channel 0-1277: 858.9875 CC


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Network: BEE00.39A ; NJICS

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #4: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.3

Channel 1-1430: 770.94375 CC


Site: 1.14

Channel 1-1966: 774.29375 CC


Site: 1.16

Channel 1-1964: 774.28125 CC


Site: 1.23

Channel 1-1190: 769.44375 CC


Site: 1.31

Channel 1-1888: 773.80625 CC


Site: 1.34 NAC=394 BSI=WTPZ794

Neighbor: BEE00.39A-1.3
Neighbor: BEE00.39A-1.14
Neighbor: BEE00.39A-1.16
Neighbor: BEE00.39A-1.23
Neighbor: BEE00.39A-1.31

Channel 1-1352: 770.45625 VOICE DATA BSI
Channel 3-1352: 770.45625-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1353: 770.45625-2 VOICE
Channel 1-1770: 773.06875 SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 3-1770: 773.06875-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1771: 773.06875-2 VOICE
Channel 1-1810: 773.31875 CC
Channel 1-1928: 774.05625 SCC VOICE
Channel 3-1928: 774.05625-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1929: 774.05625-2 VOICE
Channel 1-1972: 774.33125 SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 3-1972: 774.33125-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1973: 774.33125-2 VOICE


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Network: BEE00.3A8 ; N Y C DoITT 700

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #4: Base=480.00625 Offset=+3 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #5: Base=480.00625 Offset=+3 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.30 NAC=3A2 ; UHF Simulcast

Neighbor: BEE00.3A8-1.60 ; 700800 Simulcast

Channel 4-334: 482.09375 DATA
Channel 5-334: 482.09375-1 VOICE
Channel 4-342: 482.14375 DATA
Channel 5-342: 482.14375-1 VOICE
Channel 4-370: 482.31875 DATA
Channel 4-516: 483.23125 DATA
Channel 5-517: 483.23125-2 VOICE
Channel 4-518: 483.24375 CC SCC
Channel 4-536: 483.35625 SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 5-536: 483.35625-1 VOICE
Channel 5-537: 483.35625-2 VOICE
Channel 4-538: 483.36875 CC SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 5-538: 483.36875-1 VOICE
Channel 5-539: 483.36875-2 VOICE
Channel 4-558: 483.49375 CC SCC VOICE DATA
Channel 5-558: 483.49375-1 VOICE
Channel 5-559: 483.49375-2 VOICE


Site: 1.60 ; 700800 Simulcast

Channel 1-1974: 774.34375 CC


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Network: BEE00.3A9

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.21

Channel 1-1952: 774.20625 CC


Site: 1.22

Channel 1-1912: 773.95625 CC


Site: 1.27

Channel 1-1968: 774.30625 CC


Site: 1.28

Channel 1-2004: 774.53125 CC


Site: 1.29 NAC=3A0

Neighbor: BEE00.3A9-1.21
Neighbor: BEE00.3A9-1.22
Neighbor: BEE00.3A9-1.27
Neighbor: BEE00.3A9-1.28

Channel 1-1224: 769.65625 VOICE DATA
Channel 1-1432: 770.95625 DATA
Channel 1-1924: 774.03125 SCC
Channel 1-2012: 774.58125 CC


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Network: BEE00.3CE ; Suffolk P25

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.3 NAC=3C3 BSI=WQVX713 ; 700 Simulcast

Neighbor: BEE00.97F-1.1

Channel 1-1328: 770.30625 BSI
Channel 1-1644: 772.28125 SCC
Channel 1-1746: 772.91875 SCC
Channel 1-1864: 773.65625 SCC
Channel 1-1944: 774.15625 CC


Site: 1.4 NAC=3C4 BSI=WNNM880 ; 800 Simulcast

Neighbor: BEE00.3CE-1.6 ; 1st Precinct

Channel 0-25: 851.1625 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 0-227: 852.425 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 0-267: 852.675 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 0-277: 852.7375 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 0-295: 852.85 VOICE
Channel 0-307: 852.925 VOICE
Channel 0-339: 853.125 VOICE
Channel 0-355: 853.225 VOICE BSI
Channel 0-359: 853.25 VOICE
Channel 0-379: 853.375 VOICE DATA
Channel 0-403: 853.525 VOICE DATA


Site: 1.6 NAC=3C6 BSI=WQYJ627 ; 1st Precinct

Neighbor: BEE00.3CE-1.4 ; 800 Simulcast

Channel 0-75: 851.475 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 0-155: 851.975 CC SCC
Channel 0-195: 852.225 CC SCC
Channel 0-273: 852.7125 VOICE
Channel 0-367: 853.3 CC
Channel 0-391: 853.45 BSI


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Network: BEE00.3D6

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #4: Base=382.9375 Offset=+9 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #5: Base=380. Offset=+10 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #6: Base=136. Offset=+5 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5


Site: 1.9 NAC=3D0

Channel 4-1874: 406.3625 CC
Channel 4-1986: 407.7625 SCC
Channel 4-2018: 408.1625 SCC
Channel 4-2082: 408.9625 SCC
Channel 4-2130: 409.5625 VOICE DATA
Channel 4-2194: 410.3625 VOICE DATA
Channel 4-2226: 410.7625 VOICE DATA


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Network: BEE00.441

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.1 NAC=441

Neighbor: BEE00.441-1.2

Channel 0-97: 851.6125 SCC
Channel 0-145: 851.9125 SCC
Channel 0-395: 853.475 SCC
Channel 0-637: 854.9875 CC
Channel 0-1357: 859.4875 DATA


Site: 1.2

Channel 1-2060: 774.88125 CC


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: BEE00.4A2

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #4: Base=935.0125 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5


Site: 1.15

Channel 1-1606: 772.04375 CC


Site: 1.16

Channel 1-1844: 773.53125 CC


Site: 1.17

Channel 1-1972: 774.33125 CC


Site: 1.18 NAC=4AB BSI=WQZA334

Neighbor: BEE00.4A2-1.15
Neighbor: BEE00.4A2-1.16
Neighbor: BEE00.4A2-1.17
Neighbor: BEE00.4A2-1.20

Channel 1-1206: 769.54375 BSI
Channel 1-1722: 772.76875 DATA
Channel 3-1722: 772.76875-1 VOICE
Channel 3-1723: 772.76875-2 VOICE
Channel 1-1790: 773.19375 CC
Channel 1-1906: 773.91875 SCC


Site: 1.20

Channel 1-1888: 773.80625 CC


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: BEE00.942

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #4: Base=150. Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #5: Base=161.7 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5
Bandplan #6: Base=450. Offset=+5 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #7: Base=150. Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #8: Base=150.0025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #9: Base=155. Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #10: Base=155.0025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #11: Base=161.7 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #12: Base=161.7025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #13: Base=166.8 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #14: Base=166.8025 Offset=-3.2 Spacing=2.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #15: Base=450. Offset=+5 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.50

Channel 4-3675: 159.1875 CC


Site: 1.54

Channel 0-11: 851.075 CC


Site: 1.55 NAC=949 BSI=WRAJ230

Neighbor: BEE00.942-1.50
Neighbor: BEE00.942-1.54
Neighbor: BEE00.942-1.56
Neighbor: BEE00.942-1.57
Neighbor: BEE00.942-1.58
Neighbor: BEE00.942-1.59
Neighbor: BEE00.942-1.95

Channel 0-577: 854.6125 BSI
Channel 0-1173: 858.3375 SCC
Channel 0-1289: 859.0625 SCC
Channel 0-1389: 859.6875 CC


Site: 1.56

Channel 0-1293: 859.0875 CC


Site: 1.57

Channel 0-1253: 858.8375 CC


Site: 1.58

Channel 4-2178: 155.445 CC


Site: 1.59

Channel 0-1209: 858.5625 CC


Site: 1.95

Channel 5-3995: 171.6875 CC


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: BEE00.97F


Site: 1.1

Channel 1-1136: CC


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: BEE00.982

Bandplan #4: Base=935.0125 Offset=-39 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #5: Base=935.0125 Offset=-39 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.1 NAC=981

Channel 4-128: 935.8125 CC
Channel 4-736: 939.6125 DATA
Channel 5-736: 939.6125-1 VOICE
Channel 5-737: 939.6125-2 VOICE
Channel 4-768: 939.8125 DATA
Channel 5-768: 939.8125-1 VOICE
Channel 5-769: 939.8125-2 VOICE


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Network: BEE06.646 ; Town Of Babylon

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5


Site: 1.1 NAC=641 BSI=WQCC333

Channel 0-263: 852.65 BSI
Channel 0-291: 852.825 SCC
Channel 0-329: 853.0625 SCC VOICE
Channel 0-375: 853.35 SCC VOICE
Channel 0-461: 853.8875 CC


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Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Jun 03 2020, 03:22pm

You left out the most important piece of info in your initial post:

BEE00.3CE-1.3 neighbor: Site BEE00-97F-1.1; CC=1-1136

Yeah, that explains everything. The East Hampton system is a peer of Site 3 of the Suffolk County system, which is why it keeps showing up. The systems are linked via ISSI, and so the sites are now peers.

Why are you trying to delete valid info from the DSD+ files? You're only going to continue to get "Info Outdated" if you do that. A better solution would be to try decoding the East Hampton control channel so that the DSDPlus.P25data file updates the info for that system, and the "Info Outdated" message should go away.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jun 03 2020, 03:23pm

Updated

to be continued

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jun 03 2020, 03:57pm



I did not know that.




Because I did not know it was valid info.




I fired up the LNA and cant receive the cc from Islip Terrace even with something on the roof. I will throw the laptop in the truck next time I go out east or if anyone has the info in their p25 data file and wanted to share, that would work also..


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Wed Jun 03 2020, 04:23pm

It's a Motorola ASTRO 25 system, and so it almost certainly uses the same band plan as the Suffolk system does. Use this:


Network: BEE00.97F ; East Hampton P25

Bandplan #0: Base=851.00625 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=851.0125 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #3: Base=762.00625 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2

Site: 1.1 NAC=971

Channel 1-1136: 769.10625 CC


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jun 03 2020, 07:08pm





2020/06/03 15:04:45 TCP link established
2020/06/03 15:04:56 Freq=774.156250 NAC=3C4 Found control channel
2020/06/03 15:04:56 Freq=774.156250 NAC=3C4 Current network: BEE00.3CE Suffolk P25
2020/06/03 15:04:56 Freq=774.156250 NAC=3C4 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.3 700 Simulcast
2020/06/03 15:04:56 Freq=774.156250 NAC=3C3 Current network: BEE00.3CE Suffolk P25
2020/06/03 15:04:56 Freq=774.156250 NAC=3C3 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.3 700 Simulcast
2020/06/03 15:04:57 Freq=774.156250 NAC=3C3 BEE00.3CE-1.3 neighbor: Site BEE00.97F-1.1; CC=1-1136 769.10625 Info Outdated

Cool ! Now its displaying the cc. I will add BEE00.97F to the network and 1.1 to the sites file and maybe the outdated message will go away.

Thanks for that...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jun 06 2020, 12:57am

Anyone know why on site 4, when 3803 command band transmits, why its rebroadcasting tg 23803? And the same thing with Sheriff 1 on tg 20053 . I have never seen this before.















Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jun 06 2020, 03:22pm

Seeing this with these 3 tg's so far.

3803 Command is also 23803

53 Sheriff 1 is also 20053

3811 Sclerg is also 23811



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sun Jun 07 2020, 07:04pm

Any luck on the PD Ops channels on the Digital system yet?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jun 07 2020, 07:28pm

Pd ops channels are enc on the p25 system from what I have seen. They were in the clear a few weeks ago but not any more.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Mon Jun 08 2020, 08:41pm

Have another question, not having much luck on Radioreference with this one. Would anybody know what the Digital Threshold Parameter Setting is on the Phase II system? My HP2 seems to hold on 7 most of the time but my 436 bounces all over the place. The Error rate is just to high at times and the entire transmission is not fully clear. I would rather manually set the Threshold to the correct settings that the system is built on.

Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Jun 09 2020, 04:24pm

I answered you on RR, but I'll post here also...

There is no such setting on the system side. Those settings are purely a scanner thing, in order to attempt to get the scanner to decode a system better.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jun 21 2020, 02:42pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jul 10 2020, 11:45pm



Anyone know who this might be? They have cads in their vehicles..


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jul 14 2020, 12:21am

2 12 0 Eaton's Neck Fire dept testing on tg 10051 site 4. They are doing simulated signal 13's.

Heard Huntington earlier today on I believe Fres 2

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jul 15 2020, 03:49pm



Running site 6 next to site 4.
I do not see this on site 6 when command tg is in use. Just on site 4.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Jul 16 2020, 04:24am

very interesting. currently the control is 852.675 as of 7-16-20 00:23hrs. I am not currently seeing what you screenshot although im still using version 1 of unitrunker
update i loaded unitrunker v2 and im seeing that happen across multiple talkgroups like the 5th precinct medcom east, command, and sheriff 1. not sure why

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jul 16 2020, 01:59pm

I see this with SCLERG Sheriff 1, MDC Help and Command in UT V2 , DSDPlus fastlane and op25. As far as medcom east, yesterday tg 20151 was at first stand alone tg. Then it became active when medcom east tg are active.

In UT I can set to ignore these tg's. Need to figure out how to not log specific tg in DSDPlus.

tg 30001 Willie units? Any thoughts? SIte 4
tg 215 3440 on smartzone Brookhaven Parks active on 700 Site 4 at times.
tg 223 see a Brookhaven parks radio in its history Site 4
tg 235 see Troop L rid's in history. ENC traffic site 4


rid 30010 seems to be a county park lifeguard. Have heard him broadcast beach related comms on parks tg and 1st and 3rd pct's tg. Would not think his radio should xmit on pd bands. lol



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jul 29 2020, 06:37pm

So with all the fire related updates in the db, nothing submitted for tg 30001? The willies ems units?

Did the names of the following tg's change because they are different between 700 and 800. Sorry, my ocd is in high gear today.

tg 2576 is "FRES" on 800 mhz
tg 161 is "Fres Command" on 700mhz

tg 2608 "FRES Ops 1" on 800mhz
tg 163 is "FRES Ops" on 700mhz

Today I am seeing Fres tg's 161 and 85 in use at the same time for calls today. I do not see a patch or rid 0 present when these take place. Not a super big deal but since I do have both tg's set to record, I end up with double recordings.





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Aug 28 2020, 01:47am

Just made a submission,,, new freqs added to P25 site 4. First seen, Wed 13:15

851.0875 LCN 00-0013
851.2375 LCN 00-0037


Have not seen any activity on these on smartnet this week.

851.0875
851.2375


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Sep 18 2020, 11:34am

The phase 2 audio sounds pretty decent.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Oct 08 2020, 12:32pm

Has anyone any new info on this system? Site 3 in particular, like what its purpose will be and its connection to East Hampton's P25 system?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Nov 07 2020, 02:14pm

Noticed something on site 4 the other day. Tg 20231 patch (NYS Troop L ) was active without tg 231 being active. Saw this throughout the day.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sat Nov 07 2020, 08:43pm

Yes, caught that as well. Also some FRES & Medcom tg's come up with the "20" prefix......

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 26 2020, 01:51pm

Tg 231 (Troop L) seems to be using only one rid of 4537146 for all calls. I used to see different rids communicating with 4537146 and assumed 4537146 was the rid for the dispatcher. Lately it's only been the 1 rid. Seeing this in Unitrunker and DSDPlus

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Dec 31 2020, 10:17pm

2020 unanswered questions.

Who are the willie units on tg 30001?

What is the connection between East Hampton P25 system and Scpd system?

Why are there patches set up on Scpd that seem to be simulcasting over East Hampton P25 system?

Why was East Hampton P25 system being simulcasted over Scpd system a few weeks ago on tg 65514?

How come when anyone keys up on Troop L tg, its now always the same rid? Used to be one for console and then the rid for whatever officer was talking.
Last month has only been the console rid.

If fire depts are going to end up on site 3, why are they on site 4 right now?


Happy New Year



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Thu Dec 31 2020, 11:15pm

Here is what I’ve noticed so far:
The Willie units are defiantly some EMS/ paramedic agency or company that operates/ respond in the Riverhead area. I can’t confirm agency though

As far as the Suffolk county and EHT p25 systems... yes they are two separate systems but they are linked. Certain talkgroups affiliate on both systems such as Medcom E, Sheriff 1, Troop L, SCPD command etc. This was done to allow expanded communications via roaming between the two systems for agencies that have countywide jurisdiction or units that frequently move in between both areas coverage.

It appears the county is starting all FD agencies that are on the p25 trunk system on site 4 because certain talkgroups (Fres ops 1,2,3) etc are on both the p25 and analog trunk Thus allowing agencies to migrate over without purchasing all new apex series radios at once. Units can access these talkgroups on either the new p25 or old existing analog TRS
The exact use of the 700mhz site 3 is not confirmed nor are the talk-groups that will be monitored by FRES.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jan 01 2021, 12:20am

Islip 1, smithtown 1, babylon 1, will be monitored by FRES. I would assume it would follow suit with the other townwide talkgroups. As far as 30001 talk group herd them doing a patient transport from pbmc to what i think they said was southside. I'll see if i can get more info on that tg. site 3 should be for all these new fire department talkgroups. And huntington area fres low band will be going away next week.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jan 15 2021, 01:12pm

Anyone know if any transmitter sites are shared with MTA? Heard something about a generator problem at a site and it was said the MTA like to test their generator on the same days.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Jan 19 2021, 11:54pm

talk group 69 lloyd harbor pd is active on site 4

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Radio5390, Thu Jan 21 2021, 04:54am

The “7-Willie” units are Northwell Paramedic fly cars that respond to Riverhead and Flanders-Northampton calls.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Jan 23 2021, 12:39am

site 3 65514 is active 1/22/21 7:30pm sounds like a police department. radio id comes up as 0, maybe a unit roamed from the east hampton p25 system? the east hampton system is showing up as a peer

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sat Jan 23 2021, 12:58am

That is possible is East Hampton and Suffolk have an ISSI link. I would think anything in the 65xxx range is a temp talk group.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jan 23 2021, 01:51am

65514 is E Hampton on site 3. They started using that tg on site 3 Sept 18 2020 and its been on and off with nothing consistent. Been off more than its been on.
Last I heard it was phase 2. I actually posted a teaser about "phase 2 sounding good" last year but no one picked up on it. [link]


On a different note, heard some chatter on site 4 about 4 15 pm today. Not sure who they are as the rid's are not tagged from any of my logging but they were out in riverhead and talking about the radios. They were saying the new repeater sounds 100 times better and said something about Nassau turning repeater on next week. One said he thought they were on now and the other said we will see tomorrow when we are in Elmont.

I think 2 or 3 nights ago Nassau was doing radio testing on a patch of Sclerg and countywide 1 on site 4 between Nassau highway 2254 and scpd 934 around 2 am...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Jan 23 2021, 04:19am

it was phase 2 and i didnt think the audio was all that great (using sds 200). I did hear a couple guys chatting out in freeport, i dont remember what talkgroup i was hearing it on. I want to say it was one of the surveillance talkgroups but dont quote me on that.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jan 23 2021, 02:15pm




What was phase 2? tg 65514 on site 3 or the guys talking on site 4 about nassau and repeaters?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Jan 23 2021, 08:44pm

sorry 65514 on site 3 was phase 2.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jan 30 2021, 02:54pm

Last few days there has been some on and off activity on one of the Riverhead fire talkgroups on site 3. Have not really heard any fire related stuff, mostly keep hearing Peconic mentioned.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jan 30 2021, 04:18pm

Just heard radio repair doing sig 19 on Islip 1 talk group.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sun Jan 31 2021, 04:44pm

Riverhead 1 is active with 6th Division Depts and Riverhead 2 is active with Riverhead Ambulance. Pretty cool to see the Phase 2 TDMA 700mhz up & running...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jan 31 2021, 06:47pm

Seeing some of what were Willie units on Riverhead 2 based on tg id's I logged. It was posted by Radio5390 that they were Northwell.

@Radio5390, can you submit that info to Radio Reference?

Cant wait for Islip to be active.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Feb 03 2021, 02:37pm

To anyone who is running DSDPlus Fastlane out on the East End, if you can post or msg me here, I am looking for a copy of a DSDPlus.P25data file.

When I monitor site 3, its shows East Hampton p25 as a peer and is saying info outdated. While my Suffolk stuff works perfect, I would like to get the correct info for the 97F system put in my data file.

Thanks



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Feb 09 2021, 12:39am

Heard a rid from Brookhaven Public safety keep calling headquarters on tg 233 (3568 on 800 ) and finally someone responded telling him he was on the wrong band and told him to go to Brookhaven Public safety channel. Any idea on tg 233?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
EastIslipFD161, Tue Feb 09 2021, 05:13pm

CSHFD was using Huntington 1 over the weekend

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Feb 09 2021, 05:40pm

I have heard a mix of depts on there the last 2 weeks from Holbrook, Dix Hills Eaton's Neck Selden Patchogue Holtsville.

Also, the last few days my reception of site 3 was very poor. Last week it was good and now today its good. Unitrunker is showing health at about 95% I was getting 20 yesterday.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Wed Feb 10 2021, 12:29am

Yes, I mentioned this in previous posts Huntington 1 is in use as well as Riverhead 1 and Riverhead 2. You will hear many Dept's acknowledge recepit of Alarms and When is Service or "28" of Alarms on FRES Dispatch. FRES OPS 3 is in use for some 5th Division Dept's who do not have their own dispatchers. Also The P25 system seems to have coverage to as far west as Exit 36 on the LIE crystal clear. As it is a digital signal it doesn't fade and get scratchy like an analog signal, when you are out of range you simply loose the ability to receive the signal.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Feb 13 2021, 02:04pm




And today 2 13 2021 @ 9 am, Unitrunker is showing site 3 cc at 15 - 20 percent health. Anyone else notice a weaker signal on the cc?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sat Feb 13 2021, 03:01pm

I haven’t noticed a drop in signal on either Site 3 or Site 4 both are always solid..



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sat Feb 13 2021, 03:02pm

Site 3....

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sat Feb 13 2021, 03:13pm





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Feb 14 2021, 02:58pm

Really odd. maybe this dongle is acting up. It sits in the window and does not get moved. Working on running a line down to this pc as now my wife is complaining about dongles and antennas in the window.

Wife, what's all these antennas and wires in the window.

Me, close the mini blinds, what wires and antennas?

Lol

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sun Feb 14 2021, 05:44pm

Very Interesting.... Today FRES is Activating Departments on Site 3 TDMA TG 10503, County West....

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
EastIslipFD161, Sun Feb 14 2021, 06:04pm

Yes, it’s simulcast with UHF frequency

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Feb 14 2021, 11:14pm




I have 10503 as FRES Paging East. Seems like it stopped around 1 30.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Mon Feb 15 2021, 12:43am

Dave, TG 10503 is Paging West and TG 10501 is Paging East. If you are going off of Radio Reference, like I've said before that info is only as accurate as the Admins enter it or maybe a typo.....

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Mon Feb 15 2021, 06:38pm


If there is an error in the RR listing, then please submit the correction. Doesn't do anyone good only mentioning it here.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Sat Feb 20 2021, 12:09am

Friday 2\19 hearing East Hampton Town PD on Suffolk site 3 TGID 65514

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
innokuous1, Fri Mar 05 2021, 08:32pm

The St. Charles Hospital P25 location is active.

[link]

Location 2 on the FCC license showing 4 frequencies.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Mar 06 2021, 02:29am

I barely get the cc but see it. Have Dsd tuned to site 4 and is showing neighbor site 1.7 with 852.3625 as the cc. SIte 3 only shows 97F as a neighbor in my setup.

Site: 1.7

Channel 0-217: 852.3625 CC


This is what sdrtrunk shows for site 4

Activity Summary - Decoder:P25 Phase 1 Simulcast (LSM)

Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:04[4] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:0-25 DOWNLINK:851162500 UPLINK:806162500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-227 DOWNLINK:852425000 UPLINK:807425000
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-267 DOWNLINK:852675000 UPLINK:807675000
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-277 DOWNLINK:852737500 UPLINK:807737500
CURRENT DATA CHANNEL:15-4095 DOWNLINK:0 UPLINK:0
STATION ID/LICENSE: WNNM880

Neighbor Sites
SYSTEM:97F[2431] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:01[1] CHANNEL:1-442/----- DOWNLINK:764768750 UPLINK:0
SYSTEM:--- RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:01[1] CHANNEL:1-1466/----- DOWNLINK:771168750 UPLINK:0
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:06[6] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-367 DOWNLINK:853300000 UPLINK:808300000 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:07[7] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-217 DOWNLINK:852362500 UPLINK:807362500 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]




And this for site 3

Activity Summary - Decoder:P25 Phase 1 Simulcast (LSM)

Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C3[963] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C3[963] RFSS:01[1] SITE:03[3] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1944 DOWNLINK:774156250 UPLINK:804156250
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-1864/5-1746 DOWNLINK:862656250 UPLINK:0
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-2312 DOWNLINK:865456250 UPLINK:820456250
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1644 DOWNLINK:772281250 UPLINK:802281250
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1645 DOWNLINK:772287500 UPLINK:802287500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1660 DOWNLINK:772381250 UPLINK:802381250
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1746 DOWNLINK:772918750 UPLINK:802918750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1864 DOWNLINK:773656250 UPLINK:803656250
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-3912 DOWNLINK:786456250 UPLINK:816456250
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:10-1864 DOWNLINK:0 UPLINK:0
CURRENT DATA CHANNEL:15-4095 DOWNLINK:0 UPLINK:0
STATION ID/LICENSE: WQVX713

Neighbor Sites
SYSTEM:97F[2431] NAC:3C3[963] RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:01[1] CHANNEL:1-1466/----- DOWNLINK:771168750 UPLINK:0
SYSTEM:968[2408] NAC:3C3[963] RFSS:01[1] SITE:09[9] LRA:21[33] CHANNEL:1-1466/----- DOWNLINK:771168750 UPLINK:0
SYSTEM:97F[2431] NAC:3C3[963] RFSS:01[1] SITE:11[17] LRA:01[1] CHANNEL:1-1466/----- DOWNLINK:771168750 UPLINK:0


I will take the laptop on my next trip unless someone submits it.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 12 2021, 02:19pm

Fres tg 10503 active again on site 3. Was active yesterday also I see in trunking recorder.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Mar 18 2021, 12:09pm

Is anyone getting a signal on the Port Jeff site today? Last Friday I barely got it with just a rooftop antenna, and last night I could not see anything even with my lna hooked up.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Thu Mar 18 2021, 03:27pm

Yes port Jeff site is online and active. Heard 6th Pct this morning in Setauket area.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Mar 18 2021, 04:45pm

What's on the site? Just the 800 simulcast? Any phase 2? I'm in Islip Terrace and cant get a lock on that site.

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Fri Mar 19 2021, 03:09am

Only heard TGIDs for 6th PCT and Hospital N on this site. Both of which were phase 1.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Fri Apr 02 2021, 09:19pm

FYI.
Keep your eyes open for activity on some new sites.

I added what I could to the RRDB, but I don't have any frequencies for Site 5 or 8

Site 1 - EH 700 - System 97F (E Hampton P25 Sys)
Site 3 - 700 P25 West - System 3CE
Site 4 - 800 Simulcast - System 3CE
Site 5 - Huntington - System 3CE
Site 6 - 1st Pct - System 3CE
Site 7 - Pt. Jeff - System 3CE
Site 8 - Montauk - System 3CE
Site 9 - 700 P25 Site East - System 3CE

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Apr 03 2021, 02:18am

Follow up to Phil's post...

The East Hampton system is in the database as its own entity. Since the two systems are connected via ISSI, they will appear as neighbors to each other and some talkgroups may been seen on both systems, but they are independent systems.

The frequencies for the 700 East cell should be as follows once it's on the air:
774.16875 Pri CC
773.66875, 772.90625, 772.29375 Alt CC's

Yes, all of the frequencies are just 12.5 kHz separation from their counterparts on the 700 West cell. This is sort of unusual, but is due to the way the 700 frequencies were allocated back in 2009ish, which was in 25 kHz wide channels vs the now typical 12.5 kHz wide channels.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Apr 03 2021, 04:25am

Wouldn't the following tg's with a 2X prefix be considered a patches to the East Hampton system?

53 and 20053 sheriff
149 and 20149 medcom central
151 and 20151 medcom east
231 and 23321 troop l
3803 and 23803 command
3811 and 23811 sclerg



I locked out all the 2X prefixed ones to prevent double recording of calls.

23903 listed as Sclerg 2 in the db. 3903 on 800 SmartZone is 62448 and labeled as "mdc help desk". Did they change the help desk tg?

30001 listed as Willy Unit in the db. It was mentioned here that those are Northwell. [link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sat Apr 03 2021, 01:17pm

Phil,

Control Channels for Site 5 Huntington are: 852.9500, 852.4750, 852.3125, 851.4625
Control Channels for Site 8 Montauk are: 852.6000, 853.3000, 851.6000

Hope this helps....

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Apr 03 2021, 06:18pm


Are either of those sites on the air yet?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sat Apr 03 2021, 06:31pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Sat Apr 03 2021, 09:20pm

I am not sure if they are in the air yet as I only monitor Sites 3 & 4 due to my location. But those are the Control Channels that are programmed in the County APX radios for those sites. If I’m ever out in Montauk or the Huntington area I’ll try to give them a try. Maybe some other members in those areas or closer could also try.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sun Apr 04 2021, 09:19pm

New sites would almost certainly appear as peers to existing sites that they brush up against. I wouldn't expect a site in Montauk to show the 1st Precinct as a peer, but it should show the 800 simulcast at the very least.

Speaking of which, for those of you decoding the various sites, can you please post an updated list of peers you see on each site? Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 05 2021, 03:38am




Site 3 details

Activity Summary - Decoder:P25 Phase 1 Simulcast (LSM)

Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C3[963] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C3[963] RFSS:01[1] SITE:03[3] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION

Neighbor Sites
SYSTEM:97F[2431] NAC:3C3[963] RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:01[1] CHANNEL:1-1466/----- DOWNLINK:771168750 UPLINK:0




Site 4 details

Activity Summary - Decoder:P25 Phase 1 Simulcast (LSM)

Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:04[4] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION

Neighbor Sites
SYSTEM:97F[2431] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:01[1] CHANNEL:1-1466/----- DOWNLINK:771168750 UPLINK:0
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:06[6] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-367 DOWNLINK:853300000 UPLINK:808300000 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:07[7] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-217 DOWNLINK:852362500 UPLINK:807362500 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Mon Apr 05 2021, 05:27pm

Thanks!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
gatekeep, Mon Apr 05 2021, 08:30pm

It's interesting that 'sdrtrunk' reports the East Hampton ISSI link -- but not the Nassau County ISSI link. DSD+ shows 1AE as a neighbor to Site 4.





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Apr 07 2021, 12:05pm




Heard testing yesterday on site 4 Suffolk where they mentioned they were on Nassau Uhf .

Here is what DSDPlus lists for site neighbors.









Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Apr 13 2021, 12:05am

fres uhf west will be patched to the trunked system effective immediately, also fres reserves the right to drop the patch at anytime for any reason without notice. (doesn't appear active yet) this was from some paperwork i saw.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Tue Apr 13 2021, 12:53am

Nice. Now I can start playing with P25 Paging
(I know it's not true P25 paging, but it's something we didn't have before)

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Apr 13 2021, 02:31pm

Tg 65446 active on site 3 and I believe its simulcasting something from Each Hampton p25. If anyone is with in range of Each Hampton p25 can you advise who the 90 units calling into Central are?

Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
dopplerbob, Tue Apr 20 2021, 10:32am

I just loaded site 7 into my G5 for the heck of it. I am getting 6th Precinct and Hospital North TG's active already after a couple of minutes monitoring. I didn't think it was active yet because I didn't read about it anywhere.
Bob
Edit--I guess I should have read this thread completely. My bad. It has been reported already on here. I have to stop by this forum more often! You guys have it covered!

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Apr 20 2021, 02:26pm

Asking for clarity and opinion on a few of the new listings in the db before maybe submitting additions / corrections.


I believe the tg's that have a 2, 20 and 200 prefix are being broadcast over the East Hampton system, as mentioned here, [link]

Shouldn't they be referenced some how to indicate use on the East Hampton system or patched for more coverage? I labeled them all in Sdrtrunk with patch appended to the end and locked them all out as all they do is create double recordings. The following are all tg's I have seen on p25 site 4 that have a prefix and are active at the same time according to Unitrunker logs and what's seen in Sdrtrunk.

53 and 20053 Sheriff
149 and 20149 Medcom Central
151 and 20151 Medcom East
161 and 20161 Fres Command
231 and 20231 Troop L
3803 and 23803 Command Band
3811 and 23811 Sclerg


Recent db additions,

23811 SCLERG 1. The actual Sclerg tg would be 3811 without the 2 prefix. 3811 should also be entered in the db and both 3811 and 23811 have been active at the same time on site 4 and neither have been seen on site 3. I have also seen 3811 active without 23811 being active. I can submit for addition if needed.

23903 SCLERG 2. Same thing. Sclerg 2 is 3903 without the 2 prefix, but 3903 on SmartZone is 62448 and its labeled as MDC help. Did the MDC tg change? I also do not have any voice activity on either 3903 or 23903 on the P25 system in the last 3 weeks. It was active prior though with on and off activity. I do not see anything other than 1 voice grant on 62448 on SmartZone in the last week.

23951 Public Safety. This would be 3951 and in the past, 3951 and 23951 were active on site 4 but not site 3. 3951 was in heavy use by I believe NYSPD units during the George Floyd protests but that may have been temporary use. The tg has not had activity in the last week. I do not believe Suffolk has its own "public safety" but they do have Auxiliary Police.

30001 Willy Unit. It was posted here, [link] that Willy units are Northwell Paramedic fly cars. I cant confirm so to who ever can confirm, can you make a submission for change?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jun 04 2021, 06:02pm

Noticed something with Troop L tg 231 on site 4

A while back, UT, DSDPlus and Sdrtrunk all showed 2 way radio id's with these guys. A radio id for the console and a radio id for what ever officer was communicating. Something changed a while back and I posted about it and it did not yield any replies.

Now I am seeing something else. Troop L tg 231 does not show up much anymore but its patch 20231 shows up for every call. I looked at the history in UT and last transmission from tg 231 was May 25th. Sdrtrunk confirms the same thing via trunking recorder recordings. Last voice grant was May25th. The patch is active way more than the actual tg. This is on site 4.

Looking at the other patches, they all seem to be working identical to their tg's in respect to being active at the same time and displaying both console and user radio id's. I have both tgs (231 & 20231) set to record in UT, Sdrtrunk and DSDPlus. Priorities / ranks are all the same.

I set 231 and 20231 threshold to 10 at 10 58 am and reset the hit counts and this is the result after an close to two hours. Tg 231 does not show up and just one radio id.

P25, BEE00.3CE, 231, 10, Normal, 0, 2021/04/24 17:33, "Troop L Ops"
P25, BEE00.3CE, 20231, 10, Normal, 26, 2021/06/04 12:49, "Troop L Ops PATCH"



2021/06/04 10:59:05 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.2375 1s
2021/06/04 11:00:43 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.0875 1s
2021/06/04 11:10:47 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=853.125 1s
2021/06/04 11:15:35 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.2375 3s
2021/06/04 11:15:42 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85 2s
2021/06/04 11:15:45 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=853.125 Pri0 6s
2021/06/04 11:16:33 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85
2021/06/04 11:22:03 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85 1s
2021/06/04 11:27:06 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.2375 1s
2021/06/04 11:27:37 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85 1s
2021/06/04 11:38:23 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.0875 1s
2021/06/04 11:42:08 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.2375 1s
2021/06/04 11:44:58 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.2375
2021/06/04 11:55:47 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=853.125 1s
2021/06/04 11:58:45 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.0875 1s
2021/06/04 12:00:31 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.925 1s
2021/06/04 12:07:15 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85 1s
2021/06/04 12:07:44 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.425 1s
2021/06/04 12:13:34 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.0875 1s
2021/06/04 12:14:15 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.0875 1s
2021/06/04 12:28:39 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85 1s
2021/06/04 12:29:48 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85 1s
2021/06/04 12:43:08 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=852.85 1s
2021/06/04 12:45:23 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.2375 1s
2021/06/04 12:49:18 Freq=852.675000 NAC=3C4 Group call; TG=20231 [Troop L Ops PATCH] RID=4537146 [Troop L Console] Ch=851.2375 1s





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jun 05 2021, 12:59pm

So to add, yesterday from about 9 am to 5 pm, the tg of 231 did not show in any of the software running.

Then from 5 pm to at least 4 30 am, 231 and 20231 were both active.

From 7 am till now, only 231 is active.

I get that 20231 is a patch and all, and can be turned on and off when needed, but how can a patch run without the original tg?



















Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Jun 05 2021, 03:22pm

"but how can a patch run without the original tg?"

It sounds like TG 231 is not being carried on Site 4 (800 Simulcast) at times, probably due to no subscribers being affiliated. Have you checked the other sites to see if TG 231 is being carried there?

Also, a patch can be from a different system or resource, and thus might not require the "original TG" to be carried at all if no subscriber are affiliated. If the NYSP are operating primarily on their SmartZone talkgroup (which is also 231), then that could be where this is all coming from, and could explain why the talkgroup and patch comes and goes on P25. No subscriber affiliated = no talkgroup activity.

Unless you're able to monitor all of the sites of the P25 system, as well as the SmartZone system, you really have no definitive way of knowing where that source audio is coming from and/or where TG 231 or 20231 are being carried.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jun 05 2021, 05:42pm

I can get SmartZone, site 3, 4 and 6 . I know this started before the Port Jeff site 7 was even active.

Been watching 4 and 6 for the last 10 minutes. 4 is showing 231 and 20231 in use at the same time, (only rid 4537146 for all comms, which is the radio their using for dispatch) but neither tg are showing on site 6. In fact site 6 is only showing 1st, 3rd pct's and command, hospital south and Med comm west. Not much in 6 really but that's for another day.

231 nor 20231 have ever shown on site 3 as of yet.

When 231 and 20231 are active in site 4, 3696 (231 p25) is the only tg active on smartzone. I do not see anything active in the patches tab in Unitrunker on any of the sites at the moment either.

They (NYSP) are also the only tg that's using 1 rid almost all of the time, Occasionally when a unit responds, they actually display a rid other than 4537146. All the other patched tg's show a console rid and a users id.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
PFD Mike, Mon Jun 07 2021, 03:33pm


For lack of a better term do the subscribers "check in" with the system at intervals?

Lets say you affiliate at one site and move to another site. How does the system know where you are currently?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
PFD Mike, Mon Jun 07 2021, 04:06pm

Duplicate

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Mon Jun 07 2021, 08:10pm


The simple answer is that the system keeps track of every subscriber at all times, and if a subscriber hasn't been seen or heard from in 12 hours, the system will query it to see if it's still out there. If not, the system will purge the subscriber from the active roles. That may result in a talkgroup no longer being carried at a particular site, if we assume that it was the only subscriber affiliated with that talkgroup at that site.

Anyone who runs UT v2 will no doubt be familiar with the Check and Check - Ack messages. Those are the system querying subscribers that haven't been heard from in 12 hours. If a Check with no Ack is seen, the subscriber did not respond to the query and is considered no longer active.

Whenever a subscriber changes sites, it always notifies the system. Whenever it changes talkgroups, it notifies the system. Powers off gracefully, it de-registers. Changes to a non-trunked channel or to a different system, de-registers. The system always knows, and in the cases where it does lose track of a subscriber, it will find out what's up no more than 12 hours later (that's the default timer for an ASTRO 25 system).

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
PFD Mike, Tue Jun 08 2021, 04:08am

Thanks.

Does the system also keep tabs on subscribers that are scanning a talk group? Or is it just the group that the subscriber is on?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jun 08 2021, 12:49pm

I cant figure out how to capture background data for just 2 talk groups in DSDPlus. Either it cant be done or I am missing something.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Jun 08 2021, 03:53pm


The system has no awareness of which talkgroups are being scanned, only those which a subscriber is actually affiliated with.

I'll anticipate the next question. So what happens when no subscribers are affiliated with TG 123 at Site X, but other subscribers on that site have TG 123 in their scan list? It means that nothing will be heard, because TG 123's traffic is not being carried on Site X due to no affiliations.While that may seem like a shortcoming of the system, it's done to maximize channel resource efficiency. Imagine if the subscribers had to send their entire scan list to the system each time they affiliate, then the system had to keep track of all of that, as well as carry basically every talkgroup at every site as a result. Hardly ideal.

There are ways to configure the system to force talkgroups to be carried at sites regardless of affiliation. It is not the default state, and a new TG/MG Site Access Profile needs to be created specifically for that purpose, with the relevant talkgroups assigned to it. I've been involved in setting this up on two ASTRO 25 systems. In one case the Fire Paging TG needed to be forced to broadcast full time for scanning purposes, regardless of whether a subscriber was affiliated or not. In the other case, the State Police wanted to scan the Park Police TG on a cell that wouldn't normally have a Park Police subscriber affiliated, so that talkgroup was forced to be carried full time on both cells.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Jun 08 2021, 04:19pm


What exactly are you trying to capture? Affiliations? Those events occur over the control channel, not traffic channels, and so DSD+ is going to lump all of those events together for every talkgroup across the entire site. You'll need to go through the logs and weed out what you don't want to look at. Easy enough with Notepad++, where you can bookmark lines that contain specific text, then copy/paste those bookmarked lines into a new file.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
EastIslipFD161, Sat Jun 19 2021, 02:19am

Does anyone have info on the following TGID's 20053, 65392, 3961. Unable to locate on RR. Thanks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Sat Jun 19 2021, 12:42pm

20053 is Sheriff 1 patch
65392 is East Hampton Town PD Patch

Any talk groups that start w a 6xxx or 2xxx are patched

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Jun 19 2021, 12:46pm

20053 is a patch for tg 53 Sheriff to be seen on E H P25 system
65392 is a patch (most likely being seen on site 3) (from East Hampton P25) either tg 305 E H Town Pd or 405 E H Village Pd
3961 is so far only seen on site 4 and seems to be used by highway motorcycle cops during details, like funerals and escorts. (im working on this and 3 other tg's for submissions

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
EastIslipFD161, Sat Jun 19 2021, 05:37pm

Ok thank you. Keep up the good work everyone

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Sat Jun 19 2021, 09:30pm

Can anyone confirm whether the following sites are actually on the air yet? If they are, please verify the control channel assignments and NAC for each. Thanks.

Site 5 - Huntington | 852.950 Pri CC | 851.4625, 852.3125, 852.475 Alt CC | NAC 3C5
Site 8 - Montauk | 852.600 Pri CC | 851.600, 853.300 Alt CC | NAC 3C8
Site 9 - 700 East Simulcast | 774.16875 Pri CC | 772.29375, 772.90625, 773.66875 Alt CC | NAC 3C9

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sat Jun 19 2021, 10:01pm




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jun 22 2021, 12:38pm

In the event that maybe you did not post non relevant neighbors, this is what I get.

Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct
BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.1AE-1.3; CC=0-29 851.1875 Nassau 500 Nassau 800
BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-267 852.675 800 Simulcast


Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.4 800 Simulcast
BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.97F-1.1; CC=1-1466 771.16875 East Hampton P25 Info Outdated
BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.6; CC=0-195 852.2250 1st Precinct
BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.7; CC=0-19 851.1250 Port Jefferson
BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.1AE-1.3; CC=0-29 851.1875 Nassau 500 Nassau 800


Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.3 700 West Simulcast
BEE00.3CE-1.3 neighbor: Site BEE00.97F-1.1; CC=1-1466 771.16875 East Hampton P25 Info Outdated




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Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Jun 22 2021, 04:58pm

Seems to be some confusion/conflict between what the two of you have posted.

Phil shows the peers to 3CE Site 4 - 800 Simulcast as:
3CE Site 3 - 700 West Simulcast
3CE Site 6 - 1st Precinct
3CE Site 7 - Port Jefferson

Dave shows the peers to 3CE Site 4 - 800 Simulcast as:
3CE Site 6 - 1st Precinct
3CE Site 7 - Port Jefferson
1AE Site 3 - Nassau 800 MHz

Phil, did you confuse Site 3 of the Nassau system with Site 3 of the Suffolk system?

Also, Dave, why is your DSD+ info showing "Nassau 500 Nassau 800" for that system's 800 MHz cell? A bit confusing, is that because you have the Nassau system labeled "Nassau 500" in DSD+? Perhaps it's time to change the name to simply "Nassau P25" since it's a multi-band system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jun 22 2021, 08:59pm

Yeah, when Nass was just 500mhz that's what I called the system. I just populated the sites file with the updated info for the sites.

In any event, between Suffolk sites 3,4 and 6, not one is reflecting any of the newly added sites.

I was also in East Farmingdale / Melville area today and did not receive anything from the Huntington site. Might not have been close enough.


NAC=3C3 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.3 700 West Simulcast
NAC=3C3 BEE00.3CE-1.3 neighbor: Site BEE00.97F-1.1; CC=1-1466 771.16875 East Hampton P25 Info Outdated



NAC=3C4 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.4 800 Simulcast
NAC=3C4 BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.7; CC=0-19 851.1250 Port Jefferson
NAC=3C4 BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.1AE-1.3; CC=0-29 851.1875 Nassau County P25 800 Simulcast
NAC=3C4 BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.97F-1.1; CC=1-1466 771.16875 East Hampton P25 Info Outdated
NAC=3C4 BEE00.3CE-1.4 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.6; CC=0-195 852.2250 1st Precinct N Lindenhurst



NAC=3C6 Current site: BEE00.3CE-1.6 1st Precinct N Lindenhurst
NAC=3C6 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.1AE-1.3; CC=0-29 851.1875 Nassau County P25 800 Simulcast
NAC=3C6 BEE00.3CE-1.6 neighbor: Site BEE00.3CE-1.4; CC=0-267 852.675 800 Simulcast

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Tue Jun 22 2021, 09:18pm

I don't believe any of those three sites are on the air yet, as they would be reporting as a peer to some of these other sites.

So essentially what we're seeing here is that the county is pretty determined to keep 700 and 800 separated. Aside from some intel we received that the codeplugs are setup to basically duplicate the 3CE system as two separate systems...700 for FRES and 800 for Law, the fact that the 800 cell is not announcing the 700 cell, and vice versa, makes it pretty clear that they don't want users roaming between them automatically. Interesting decision.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Tue Jun 22 2021, 10:30pm

GTR8000, you are correct they are set up as two systems. From the knowledge I have being involved with communications with my department and the info I’ve received from my colleagues at FRES...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Jun 23 2021, 04:22pm

So far the only thing consistent on site 3 is Riverhead fd 1 & 2 and the East Hampton patch. I don't see Fres Page East or West anymore. Heard the techs talking a while ago saying they really need to get moving on the fd side of things.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Wed Jun 23 2021, 08:04pm

Dave, 700 is dedicated to FRES and yes Riverhead 1 is in use for 6th Division Dept’s and Riverhead 2 for Riverhead Ambulance. FRES Paging East hasn’t been in use at all and Paging West occasionally in use on Sundays, (why I have no idea) but was told that the dispatchers have the discretion to “turn it on” and simulcast UHF West. I have also noticed that on Sunday’s FRES Ops 3 is Simulcast on Riverhead 1. In time it will all be worked, this is all the beginning....

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jun 24 2021, 12:09am

I figured as much. A while ago I duplicated the Suffolk system and just had the 700mhz site with all fire related tgs. Now I added the 700mhz east to that and rebound its quick key with my uhf fd. Just wish they would get all the FRES tg's on 700 full time so I can ditch the smartzone system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Thu Jun 24 2021, 01:10am

You can ditch the Type II Smartzone, all of the talkgroups have been migrated over. I don’t really see any reason to monitor the Type II, from your location Site 4 and Site 3 on the P25 system is all you need and should come in crystal clear...

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
mikey224, Thu Jun 24 2021, 01:14am




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jun 24 2021, 01:44am

One down, one to go. Now just need Fres to get onto the 700 side so I don't have to run 3 systems to hear fire related stuff.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
AndrewD, Fri Jul 09 2021, 08:12am



They are determined to keep them separate because once the system is fully implemented, that E switch is going to be flipped HARD and FAST. You can thank those who stream PD online, the politicians think anyone can now get their hands on PD traffic due to the internet rebroadcast morons. Couldn't just stick to rebroadcasting FD only. Ruined a great hobby.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Fri Jul 09 2021, 07:50pm




Do you have any actual creditable information to support this or all rumors again?
This has been rumored since the system was announced years ago. We all know its very possible ands seamless to implement but unless you have some inside information to confirm this just adds to the rumor mill

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
AndrewD, Tue Aug 03 2021, 07:13am




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Aug 03 2021, 11:42am




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
AndrewD, Wed Aug 04 2021, 07:18am




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Aug 04 2021, 09:00pm

The precincts will NOT be encrypted. All the pd ops channels WILL be encrypted.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
AndrewD, Thu Aug 05 2021, 12:10am



What's that source? The budget documentation states otherwise and the budget meeting also stated otherwise. So unless I'm missing something, you're wrong.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Aug 06 2021, 02:51am

I can pretty much guarantee it. Im not going to give hints or reveal my source as id like to continue to be able to get information.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
AndrewD, Sat Aug 07 2021, 04:55am



Well unless your source is Bellone, I'd say your source doesn't really know as much as they claim.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
w2lie, Sat Aug 07 2021, 02:36pm

How about we just agree to disagree?


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
EastIslipFD161, Wed Aug 25 2021, 02:56am

Has anyone learned of any new TGID’s lately? Been seeing some pop up on my ID search. Seems to be mostly patch

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 04 2021, 01:00pm

If anyone who logs radio id's is interested in logging radios possibly designated to be used used in the PD backup center, today might be the day. Suffolk Pd is operating from backup center today. They made the announcement to units at 0800 am and stated that units may have to repeat them selves.

I say "possibly designated" because I do not know if the radios are assigned to the backup center or not.

Sheriff dept does not seem to be doing anything different. Not sure yet who else might be operating from the backup center...




Tg 3019 on P25 800 side is active and showing enc calls. Tg 3019 would be tg 48304 S.C.P.D. Training School on Smartzone system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
EastIslipFD161, Mon Nov 22 2021, 06:08pm

Was wondering if anyone has any info on FRES ever simulcasting the paging freq on P25 again?They’ve done it intermittently but haven’t in awhile. Is this just an option they can use when needed or will it be an everyday thing? Thanks in advance

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Feb 02 2022, 06:37pm

A while back the following talkgroups for East Hampton were added to the Suffolk P25 page. They are all tagged T as TDMA Capable. I have not seen any activity on them on site 3. Are they on the air using a different site other than site 3?

40105 EH All Call All Call Interop
40305 EHTPD Dispatch Town Police Law Dispatch
40405 EHVPD Dispatch Village Police Law Dispatch
40909 EH FD Dispatch Fire Dispatch Fire Dispatch


Are sites 8 and 9 on the air yet? I scrolled back and not seeing anything indicating there online.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Thu Feb 03 2022, 12:17am

Those East Hampton talkgroups would come up on Site 4 (800 Simulcast) if used.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Feb 03 2022, 11:53pm

Yeah figured that. No activity on those at all on site 4, not even any radios affiliating.

Do see a what seems to be a patched tg from East Hampton on Suffolk p25 site 3. Tg 65390, Just not sure who it is.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
GTR8000, Fri Feb 04 2022, 01:25am

The talkgroups are in their radios, I can assure you of that. Whether or not they ever use them is another story. Could be there for backup purposes.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Fri Feb 04 2022, 03:46pm

TG 65390 on site 3 is E Hampton Town PD dispatch patch

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Feb 16 2022, 03:10pm

Based on logged radio id's, it seem Suny Stony Brook is operating on a new tg that was not on smartzone. Tg 95 on P25

Tg 37, 592 on smartzone, Suny Farmingdale, had some comms 2 days ago then silent.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Feb 17 2022, 04:46pm

Can anyone out east check if any if the Montauk and or 700 East Simulcast Sites are online yet? Heard some chatter about Montauk the other day.

Those 2 sites are the only ones that do not have FCC licenses associated with them in site details on Radioreference, These 2 licenses reflect the control channels for 700 East Simulcast
WRPD749
WRPE316


Cant not find any license for any of the freqs listed for Montauk site except for 853.3 and that comes up for Port Jeff and Lindenhurst. Based on that, I do not believe the freqs listed for Montauk to be correct unless there was a filing error.


Posting now and submitting later..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Feb 20 2022, 05:59am

@ 4 27 Pm Sat Fres made weather announcement regarding snow squals on tg 1552 Babylon Town Emergency Operations Center (smartzone) , and was simulcast over 85 Fres Dispatch 161 Fres Command & 10051 Huntington 1 P25. I did not have ears on site 3. Anyone know if this took place on any of those fd tg's?




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Mar 30 2022, 05:13pm

Suffolk P25 Site 3 side, Tg 6301 was dispatching airport fire units today.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
EastIslipFD161, Fri Apr 01 2022, 06:16am

Any idea which airport?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Apr 01 2022, 11:32am

It was Islip MacArthur .

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 07 2022, 01:35am

Anyone monitoring Troop L tg 231 on site 4 P25?

This has been going on most of the day.








Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Apr 07 2022, 01:11pm

This went thru the night and still going now. Every minute or two a transmission that contains no audio and they are all under 4 seconds.

Also still the only tg that displays the same radio id regardless of what radio is transmitting.








Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Apr 12 2022, 06:13pm

Lots of radio test today on the 20231 Troop L Patch on site 4. They were saying they were transmitting from the Peconic tower.
They sounded better than usual. Anyone know if the Peconic tower is part of Suffolk's site 4 or something from their station in Riverside??

Also was not seeing any activity on tg 231 at the same time as the patch.

Still seeing all comms coming from the same radio id.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Apr 20 2022, 03:29pm



Tg 1328 (ALS 4 - Med Comm MCI 1) on smartzone has had no activity in long time.

Tg 83 (ALS 4 - Med Comm MCI 1) on p25 site 4 active and showing only ENC comms.








Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
AndrewD, Sun Apr 24 2022, 05:24am

Entire 6th precinct now fully p25. They swapped every brick in every car at the precinct in one day, and gave everyone new APX’s.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Apr 24 2022, 01:15pm




Will they be doing that with the rest of the precincts?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu May 12 2022, 02:56pm

Tg 1552 Babylon Town Emergency Operations Center on smartzone, tg 97 on P25

Hearing a bunch of people talking about signs and wood posts. Based on what they are saying, they are over on Fire Island, Kismet and Saltire area.

Any one have any knowledge as to who they are? P25 radio id's in the 52087XX range.



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Thu May 12 2022, 11:46pm



There is a joint USAR training exercise with various local agencies being conducted from the 12th to the 15th on fire island so I’m sure this is what you were hearing. If they are operating in the Babylon township they may be using this TGID for the exercise.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri May 13 2022, 12:07am



Saltire and Kismet are 3rd division fd and part of Islip Township with no affiliation to Babylon. Seems odd to be using a tg for Babylon unless they had a bunch of radios laying around that had that tg programmed in. I really do not know if Babylon is even using that tg anymore. Last activity I saw was what ever was before Tropical storm Isaias.

Yesterday there were periods when those 52087XX range radios where just keying up with no voice at all.



Edited as of 20 03 pm

So today was FDNY's Special Operations Command Task Force held a Category 4 hurricane drill on Fire Island Thursday. And news say tomorrow its Suffolk's turn.

[link] to news story


That would also explain the Utac43 activity I was hearing yesterday also.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri May 13 2022, 12:23pm

The Utac freqs are active for the drill this am

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu May 26 2022, 12:41pm




Just looked and most of the legacy radios from 6th pct are still online and on 6th pct tg. No voice grants since end of April. I have them labeled to see where they will turn up.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Aug 09 2022, 11:10pm

During the brush fire in Brookhaven today, there was some chatter on site 4 tg 219. They were saying all personnel had to be on a truck for safety reasons and could not be on foot. I do not see daily comms on this tg and not sure who it is but II suspect its a Brookhaven tg as some rids from Brookhaven Code Enf and fire marshals were logged back in February. Tg 219 popped up at the beginning of covid pandemic.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Aug 14 2022, 05:48pm

Been hearing 5 xx xx units on a tg Islip 2 10103 on site 3.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Aug 14 2022, 05:49pm

New license for a site in Montauk. Guessing the existing Montauk site listed in the db will not be moving forward.
851.600 852.600 853.300


WRTZ935 Montauk NY [link]


851.3875 852.6000 853.3000 853.6000



Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Aug 15 2022, 04:12am

I wonder what they are going to use that for, its a conventional license not a trunked license. GE - PubSafty/SpecEmer/PubSaftyNtlPlan,806-817/851-862MHz,Conv

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Aug 15 2022, 01:10pm

Not sure but 852.6000, 853.3000 are on the existing Montauk site in the database that I do not believe is or was on the air yet.

853.3000 is an active cc on site 6 in Lindenhurst..


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Aug 18 2022, 04:05am

Montauk is showing up as a per for site 4. current list of peers for site 4, site 6 1st precinct, site 7 St. Charles hospital (Port Jeff), site 8 Montauk, East Hampton's system, and Nassau site 3 800 simulcast. Any one out east that's able to confirm what frequencies are in use at the Montauk site.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Aug 18 2022, 12:31pm

Nice catch. Unitrunker and DSDPlus are saying cc should be 852.600 . Hopefully someone out that way can check it out.



For some reason, Sdrtrunk is not showing Nassau site 3 as a peer to site 4 like Unitrunker and DSDPlus is showing.


Activity Summary - Decoder:P25 Phase 1 Simulcast (LSM)

Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:04[4] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:0-25 DOWNLINK:851162500 UPLINK:806162500
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-227 DOWNLINK:852425000 UPLINK:807425000
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-267 DOWNLINK:852675000 UPLINK:807675000
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:0-277 DOWNLINK:852737500 UPLINK:807737500
CURRENT DATA CHANNEL:15-4095 DOWNLINK:0 UPLINK:0
STATION ID/LICENSE:

Neighbor Sites
SYSTEM:97F[2431] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:01[1] LRA:01[1] CHANNEL:1-1466/----- DOWNLINK:771168750 UPLINK:0
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:06[6] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-367 DOWNLINK:853300000 UPLINK:808300000 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:07[7] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-217 DOWNLINK:852362500 UPLINK:807362500 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]
SYSTEM:3CE[974] NAC:3C4[964] RFSS:01[1] SITE:08[8] LRA:00[0] CHANNEL:0-255 DOWNLINK:852600000 UPLINK:807600000 STATUS:[VALID INFORMATION, ACTIVE RFSS CONNECTION]

Frequency Bands
BAND:0 FDMA BASE:851006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000
BAND:1 FDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000
BAND:2 TDMA BASE:851012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000 TIMESLOTS:2
BAND:3 TDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000 TIMESLOTS:2




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
innokuous1, Thu Aug 25 2022, 02:52am



Port Jefferson EMS (5-33-XX) servicing Port Jefferson/BelleTerre/Mt. Sinai/Miller Place
is using Islip 2 on a temporary/experimental basis for unit-unit communications.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dispatch, Mon Sep 05 2022, 10:33pm

The system is still a work in progress. Obviously behind schedule due to the pandemic but it continues to move forward.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Thu Sep 08 2022, 03:20am

Looks like the 3rd precinct units were migrated over to the p25 system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Sep 19 2022, 05:14pm

Was hearing radio tests on Smithtown 1 tg 10151 on 800 side.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Oct 05 2022, 03:38am

Looks like the 1st precinct units were migrated over to p25.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 16 2022, 02:35am

5th precinct units have been migrated.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Thu Nov 17 2022, 03:56pm

Nesconset, st James and Nissequogue all of which are dispatched by FRES are now operating on tg Smithtown-1 10151

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Feb 21 2023, 05:41pm

tg 95 on site 4 . Going to make a submission later today. Heard this tg referred to as Tac 2 a while back and forgot about it. Being used by SUNY Stony Brook security, police or hospital rid's 5225XXX range

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Feb 22 2023, 07:44pm

NYS Pilgrim State is using radio id of 5253001 and was observed running file 15 on Sheriff tg and also communicated with 3rd pct pertaining to a mental health issue today.

NYS Parole also has a radio in the 525xxxx range

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Feb 24 2023, 04:12am

Looks like 99% of ems has been migrated to p25. Medcom west can be considered part time on the moto type 2 system and I only see a couple moto type 2 radios on hospital north and south.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 03 2023, 12:57pm

Usage on tg's is dwindling down on 800. I reset the hit count last week and so far the following have not had any voice grants.





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Mar 15 2023, 12:03pm

Looking at tg history on site 4,

3rd mostly all newer radios with only a handful of older ones.

6th, mostly all newer radios with only a handful of older ones

The rest of the pcts are opposite or a decent mix of both


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Mar 28 2023, 01:59pm

Hope nothing is about to change.

All 7 precincts and Command are using backup radios. Not sure where they are actually dispatching from but lots of background noise on those radios

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Mar 28 2023, 02:21pm

Seems the dispatchers are all having a hard time understanding officers in the field. Asking many of them to repeat call signs and messages. Seeing this on a few different precincts.

These back up radios they are using are all legacy radios in the tgid range of 237xx

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Mar 28 2023, 05:01pm

All regular consoles seem to be operating again. I have seen a back up radio used here and there but today was the first time I saw them all in use across the board.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Apr 12 2023, 01:29pm

Going to make a submission on the following in the next day or so.

Suny Farmingdale seems to be using their tg on site 4 more frequently. tg 37 on site 4.

Suny Stony Brook seems to be using what they reference a Tac channel. Tg 95 on site 4.

Tg 3953 on site 4 seems to be an enc channel used only by K-9 officers.

Watching tg's 23001 and 23003 on site 4. 2 rids I have labeled as Babylon Bay Constable kept keying up on those tg's Friday.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Apr 17 2023, 01:06pm

Precincts and Command are using backup radios again today. . Legacy radios

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Apr 18 2023, 03:34pm

Tg 83 ALS 4 - Med Comm MCI 1 on site 4,

Whenever there is activity, its encrypted. It's also always either 2 county fire marshals or one marshal and a Fres Console.


Anyone have any info on the tg?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue May 09 2023, 12:57pm

Anyone know anything about a new FRES tg?

On Wednesday, 4/26 @ 10 AM, tg 171 (site 4) Fres console (rid 310) was doing radio tests with hospitals in Suffolk similar to the weekly schools radio tests.

Tg 171 on smartzone would be tg 2736 which is not listed but fits with in the listed Fres tg's.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Tue May 09 2023, 05:23pm

I also monitored monitored that activity onTG 171. Sounds like a hospital interoperability talk group. It was also active on the old system tg 2736.
For now I just have that labeled as Hospital Interops for now.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed May 10 2023, 11:09am

I will keep an eye on it and also set it up for 5 24 as if it is monthly, there should be another roll call @ 10 AM

Also see radio techs did quick tests on tg's 3051 3053 3057 3059 3063 and 3071

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu May 18 2023, 01:11am

May 7th, there was a water rescue drill on tg 23951 (site 4) and very few comms on 3951. Heard county helo and fire units operating out East.

23951 is in the db as Public Safety and would be a patched tg of 3951..


This story is from about 3 weeks prior and may or may not be related.. [link]

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jun 02 2023, 10:49pm

Does anyone know if 65410 on site 3 is east hampton village pd or east hampton town pd

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Sat Jun 03 2023, 03:00am

65410 on site 3 is E Hampton Town PD Dispatch

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Jun 03 2023, 08:32pm

Thank you.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Wed Jun 07 2023, 10:38pm

On 5/23 site 4 tg 25001 sounded like Fire Isld Nat Seashore Park Rangers. I’m assuming it was a patch, haven’t heard anything since ..
Also tg 23001 lots of radio checks

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Jun 08 2023, 12:35am

Been waiting for continuous comms from them before making a submission. They have been on and off since last summer and radio id's seen and heard on 25001 and 25003 have been seen and heard on Command and 7th pct bands. Radio id's 5243001 through 5243012. 5243007 seems to be their dispatcher.

They do have a conventional P25 freq 171.625 4F9 NAC Next time I see them on Suffolk I will scan the conventional and see if anything lines up.



tg 23001 is going to be Babylon Public Safety's second talkgroup. Not sure of its intended use as of yet but its their rid's from 23003 doing the testing.


tg 22007 is being used between life guards at Coopers beach and South Hampton Village police..

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Thu Jun 08 2023, 03:42pm

Next time I hear them I’ll do the same. I know their normal ops do take place on the 171.625 so I’ll keep an ear out

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Jun 12 2023, 12:00pm

Yesterday, tg 407 on P25 site 4 was active for about 3 hours.

407 is tg 6512 on 800, Suffolk County Public Works - Snow Plows

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Fri Jun 23 2023, 12:04am

Looks like the 7th precinct has been migrated over to p25 as well as a bunch of command band units

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Jun 23 2023, 03:27am

7th looks good. Now have to tag all the new unknown radios. Still seeing some legacy radios on Command. Mostly wrecker and a decent amount of highway cars.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
ptbpilot, Sat Jun 24 2023, 05:53pm

What's going on with the Suffolk SCPD Live Feed? Beed offline a few weeks. Will it be returning to service soon?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Jun 25 2023, 02:39am

Fres ops 2 What's going on? Drill?

Fres Command, Ems Command. Bayshore, Hampton Bays, South Hampton Village, Suffolk Sheriff. Stage, vip area? Riverhead and Northwell.

Got to be a drill. Been going since 2 pm and still going now, after 10 30 pm.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Mon Jun 26 2023, 01:34am

There was a large concert “palm tree music fest” at Gabreski Airport Saturday sounds like they were running ems / fd command on fres ops 2.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Jun 26 2023, 12:25pm




Was at the end yesterday and could not obtain a control channel on the only 3 freqs listed in the database. Can anyone out that way confirm if 851.3875 is being used as a control channel, if it's online

Thanks?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Jun 27 2023, 12:32am

my unitrunker is showing 851.3875 as the active control channel per the peer list for site 4.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Jun 27 2023, 03:37am

Just curious, do you see site 9 as a peer to anyone?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Jun 28 2023, 01:14am

site 9 is not showing as a peer as of tonight 6/27/23

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Fri Nov 03 2023, 06:02pm

For those of you in the Patchogue area, tg 301 on site 4 is Patchogue Village. In use daily but not consistent throughout the day as of yet.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Nov 04 2023, 09:02pm

Anyone out East seeing anything on 774.16875 site 9 700 East Simulcast? If so, any neighbors being reported?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 08 2023, 02:42am

As of 11-7-2023 10pm the only peer listed for site 3 is east Hampton site 1. Also medcom east hasn't been active on id 151 since Friday only the 20151 id is active. Medcom east and west are no longer active on the type 2 system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 08 2023, 09:25pm

Talk groups dwindling down. Reset hit count at 9 am.





Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Mon Nov 13 2023, 11:51pm

Site 9 is now listed as a peer of site 3 11/13/23 6:51 pm

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 14 2023, 02:28am

Saw that in Dsd a little while ago.

So 9 is showing as well as 8 (Montauk). Anyone within range seeing any traffic on either of the two?

Maybe they will start working on some of the Fres tg's on the phase 2 side.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Tue Nov 14 2023, 05:38am

Back in August 20231 state pd troop L, and 157 hospital south were active on the Montauk site. Frequencies listed were 851.3875, 852.600, 853.300, 853.600

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Tue Nov 14 2023, 12:40pm

I was out there in June and believe I was missing one of the freqs. Was not prepared. Are you seeing any traffic on 700 East?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Tue Nov 14 2023, 09:55pm



As of late September I monitored these talk groups on Mtk Site:
Medcom E, Hosp S, Sheriff 1, NYSPD L Ops, SC Parks, and FRES Disp

Nothing on 700 East though.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Wed Nov 15 2023, 02:59am

I am not out that way. I logged that activity on the Montauk site when I was out at camp hero.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Wed Nov 15 2023, 08:20pm

Tg 111 Southold pd doing the same as Troopl L. Only one radio id seen throughout the day for all comms. 5104011

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Thu Nov 16 2023, 01:56am

Southold is still active on their vhf channel so maybe it’s due to a console patch ?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sat Nov 18 2023, 03:59am

Site 3 700 West having issues. CC keeps fluctuating, dropping out, then rolling to another cc. Just keeps repeating.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 27 2023, 11:42am

5 33 x, Port Jeff Ambulance has been using tg 131 (ALS ALL Call) pretty much daily between buses and their dispatch.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
dwp396, Thu Nov 30 2023, 02:17pm

Has anyone had any issues with the FRES Ops TGs the last few days? Out of nowhere, I get nothing on FRES Ops 3 on any of my scanners (3 units)... Get PD without any issues... Started a few days ago... 2672 is the TG ID there that I've used for a few years without issue.


Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 30 2023, 02:43pm

3 scanners, are any of those P25? You should be monitoring the P25 system as 2672 is on the smartzone system, which is being phased out, and the days are numbered as the tg's on that system are dwindling down.


No issues with fres ops 3 on site 4 P25.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
dwp396, Thu Nov 30 2023, 02:48pm

They're all BCD996P2 units.. Looks like it's time for me to update my conifgs from Motorola system type to the P25 :-)

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 30 2023, 02:58pm

Not sure where in Suffolk you are or what sites you would use but I can confirm all Fres tgs that are active on P25 do come over on site 4. I think there are a few still on smartzone but I have not watched smartzone along side p25 in since Nov 8th to know who has not migrated over.





As of that date, these were the only tg's active between 9 am to almost 6 pm.




Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
dwp396, Thu Nov 30 2023, 03:08pm

Thanks.. I'm in Middle Island... I just tried updating my config in ProScan (changed the system type from Motorola to P25 Standard Trunk) and then plugged in the Site 7 port Jeff frequencies but not getting anything... then tried deleting those and did the Site 4 frequencies, and while I'm getting some stuff, it's very hit/miss..

For the Port Jeff site, is it really just these 4 frequencies that need to be configured, or am I missing somehting?

851.125
851.800
852.3625
852.800







Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 30 2023, 03:36pm

If that scanner does control channel only, then that's all you should need. Site 4 has 3 towers not that far from you. Calverton, Yaphank and Stony Brook. The Port Jeff site should also come in for you. Roof top antenna?

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
nyscan00, Fri Dec 01 2023, 04:42pm

If your in middle island I’d stick with site 4. The port Jeff site isn’t really as strong and was really designed for the immediate port Jeff village area. If all your settings are correct you should have excellent reception in your area on p25 site4

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
defiant154, Sat Dec 02 2023, 07:35pm

There is a problem somewhere, I have lost the FRES ops as well. The other TGIDs for FRES are working. Both Motorola and P25 Systems.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
thehawk, Sat Dec 02 2023, 08:17pm

I've never had much luck using my 996p2 scanners to receive site 4 of the p25 system. I ended up getting and g5 and an sds 200 to monitor the digital system.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
defiant154, Sat Dec 02 2023, 08:51pm

Yes... I sucked it up and added the SDS200 This Fres Ops thing happened when I moved the scanner to its new antenna. I thought something happened to antenna.

Re: New Suffolk County Trunk System OBSERVATIONS
Dave3825us, Sun Dec 03 2023, 09:35pm

To my knowledge Fres Ops 3 is no longer on smartzone. There are not many tg's being used other than pd, sccc, nys dec and a few other villages. To the op with site 4 issues, if its simulcast, and your using an omni x with an LNA, try without LNA, and or try Port Jeff Site with and without. Since its smaller in area, it may help. Also try the telescoping antenna or an 800mhz antenna.