Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Wed Mar 10 2021, 01:56pm
They are on vhf, Scpd & Mrrs systems. Maybe Ncpd also.
1Lxx units, 2Lxx units and just Lxxx units. What is the difference between 1L, 2L and just L?
Heard 9 L 3 and 7 L 283 on Scpd. What is 9L and 7 L? The 7L was in 2016 on Scpd 800.
And there there was an 8 N xxx unit . Who are 8 N units?
Re: Troop L ?
PFD Mike, Wed Mar 10 2021, 08:48pm
Administrative
L1 - Major
L2 - Captain (executive officer)
L5 - Bureau of Criminal Investigation Captain
L10-L49 - Troop Administration - Marked cars
L50-L69 - Troop Administration - Unmarked cars
L70-L89 - Miscellaneous Administration
L90-L99 - Troop Communications
L101-L109 - Traffic Incident Management Team
Uniformed Troopers
1L1 - Captain (Zone Commander)
1L2 - Lieutenant
1L10-1L49 - Marked Cars
1L50-1L79 - Unmarked Cars
1L80-1L89 - Miscellaneous Units
Bureau of Criminal Investigation (BCI)
L5 - BCI Captain
5L1 - BCI Lieutenant
5L15-5L24 - BCI Senior Investigators
5L25-5L199 - BCI Investigators
I'm pretty sure 7Lxx are outside agencies
I'm not sure what the 8 and 9 designations are for
1L are zone 1 units (Nassau)
2L are zone 2 units (Suffolk)
Re: Troop L ?
Nawton!, Wed Mar 10 2021, 09:26pm
9L should be dispatch
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Wed Mar 10 2021, 11:15pm
1L and 2L are the zones; that info is on RR under Troop L on the NYSP page
7L are usually non-NYS units operating on their channels/talkgroups. Sometimes these are outside agencies who are dispatched by the NYSP, such as maybe a small village PD or some local constables who don't have their own or county dispatch. It tends to vary by region, my experience is with Orange County where the 7F units are outside agencies. The Village of Kiryas Joel Public Safety, for example, are 7F50x units.
7N is NYS DEC ECO (Environmental Conservation Officer)
8N is NYS DEC Forest Rangers
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Thu Mar 11 2021, 01:29am
"L101-L109 - Traffic Incident Management Team" So those are the Lxxx units.
Is 9L dispatch at all troops or just Troop L? Like will GTR8000 hear a 9L listening to Troop F dispatch?
"7N is NYS DEC ECO" These guys have a tg on 800 Suffolk but are called on command band a lot when needed. I have seen them on Troop L tg as well. Do they not have their own dispatch?
"8N is NYS DEC Forest Rangers" Think I caught this one on MRRS Last summer
Going to look at my logs again.
Thanks guys for all the info. Clears things up.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Thu Mar 11 2021, 04:37am
NYSP and other state agencies like to do some weird stuff from time to time, and it's probably not as cut and dry as it used to be back in the day before there were so many specialized units and whatnot.
I have found that NYSP units that start with just the Troop letter are units that are not assigned to any particular zone, but rather troopwide. So L101 might be a TIMT unit that isn't tied to either zone/county, but rather just Troop L in general. I see something similar in Troop F with units like F11, F92, F102, etc. whereas the normal zone patrol cars all start with 1F, 2F, 3F.
If you hear any H units, those are "Headquarters" aka Albany (not to be confused with Troop G). These can be loaner units such as a new vehicle being tested that hasn't been assigned to the local Troop, or it can be actual NYSP units from Albany such as aviation units, command vehicles, or a big boss from upstate.
Dispatchers for Troop F would be 9F, for Troop K 9K, etc. The Troop letter is the key to most of these designations. The exception being 7N DEC ECO and 8N DEC Rangers, which are pretty much the same throughout the entire state for DEC units. That's why there is no Troop N.
Oh and the State Park Police, which are 8X with the X being the NYSP Troop in the region, e.g. 8F for Palisades region, 8K for Taconic region, and presumably 8L for Long Island region.
The RR NYS DEC page has info on the Region 1 VHF repeater. The ECO and Rangers can usually both be heard on the "Police" repeaters within each region, it's not necessarily for the ECO's only. They will also normally identify with just their # when on the DEC channels, dropping the 7N or 8N, so "117" on DEC VHF instead of "7N117" when on NYSP or other channels/talkgroups.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Thu Mar 25 2021, 09:00pm
Add another to the list...
7H-7xx units are the NYS Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement, which falls under NYS DOH. They are in the process of obtaining around two dozen IDs on various trunked systems around the state for their Harris multi-band portables.
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Sat Mar 27 2021, 12:03am
Thanks for the info. What system do you think they will get majority of the ID'S on? That's a lot of ID"s.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Sat Mar 27 2021, 04:59pm
You consider 24 IDs to be a lot? LOL!!! The NYSP has HUNDREDS of IDs on many trunked systems throughout the state, and the MTA has asked for over ONE THOUSAND IDs in recent months on systems in the metro area. Two dozen is a drop in the ocean compared to some agencies.
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Sun Mar 28 2021, 12:59pm
Lol yeah, after I posted I realized you said statewide.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Sun Mar 28 2021, 09:13pm
In a nutshell, after the NYSWN OpenSky project was scrapped in early 2009 (thankfully), the state decided against building out a massive statewide system/network, and instead focused on convincing counties and regions to build out system that could be linked, preferably on the P25 platform.
[link]
That's when the idea of the forming the various NYS Regional Interoperability Communications Consortiums was hatched.
[link]
As usual, it hasn't gone exactly to plan. The most cohesive implementation of the grand vision is in CNY, where you have the CNYICC ASTRO 25 system that consists of six counties sharing a core. Five of the cells are UHF, one is VHF, however as they are all part of a single system, talkgroups can roam across RF bands with no problem. There are other smaller examples such as Monroe/Ontario and Genesee/Orleans, however even those two systems encompassing four neighboring counties was never fully linked as was intended (they all share the same WACN).
Closer to home you have the state's Metro-25 system, which started out life as the Metro-21 EDACS system before Harris converted it to P25, and now the MTA's Harris system, aka the MRRS, which is integrated with the Metro-25 system.
Although the P25 ISSI standard makes it relatively straightforward to interconnect P25 systems, there hasn't been much of that to speak of, even amongst neighboring counties. The link between Suffolk's ASTRO 25 system and East Hampton's ASTRO 25 system is one example of them actually getting it right.
In any event, all of the various P25 systems on different bands throughout the state has caused some state agencies to purchase multi-band radios, and to request a block of IDs on as many systems as reasonably possible within their operational areas. No surprise that in many cases, Harris has been the manufacturer of choice (in particular for the portables), as NYS is historically a GE state (and the many subsequent companies that followed GE up to present day L3Harris). The State Police have started to install EFJ/Kenwood Viking VM7000 multi-band mobiles in most troops.
The amount of IDs the agencies have been allocated on each system varies, of course. Smaller agencies might need only 20 or so, while larger agencies like the NYSP have hundreds of IDs on many systems. Agencies like the Park Police (technically now part of the NYSP although so far still operated as a separate agency) and DEC are somewhere in the middle.
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Tue Sep 14 2021, 01:44pm
Just caught traffic advising Troop L troopers that state trooper towers in zone 2 will be down and advised troopers to use the "Suffolk County " on their portables for communications..
Dave3825us, Wed Mar 10 2021, 01:56pm
They are on vhf, Scpd & Mrrs systems. Maybe Ncpd also.
1Lxx units, 2Lxx units and just Lxxx units. What is the difference between 1L, 2L and just L?
Heard 9 L 3 and 7 L 283 on Scpd. What is 9L and 7 L? The 7L was in 2016 on Scpd 800.
And there there was an 8 N xxx unit . Who are 8 N units?
Re: Troop L ?
PFD Mike, Wed Mar 10 2021, 08:48pm
Administrative
L1 - Major
L2 - Captain (executive officer)
L5 - Bureau of Criminal Investigation Captain
L10-L49 - Troop Administration - Marked cars
L50-L69 - Troop Administration - Unmarked cars
L70-L89 - Miscellaneous Administration
L90-L99 - Troop Communications
L101-L109 - Traffic Incident Management Team
Uniformed Troopers
1L1 - Captain (Zone Commander)
1L2 - Lieutenant
1L10-1L49 - Marked Cars
1L50-1L79 - Unmarked Cars
1L80-1L89 - Miscellaneous Units
Bureau of Criminal Investigation (BCI)
L5 - BCI Captain
5L1 - BCI Lieutenant
5L15-5L24 - BCI Senior Investigators
5L25-5L199 - BCI Investigators
I'm pretty sure 7Lxx are outside agencies
I'm not sure what the 8 and 9 designations are for
1L are zone 1 units (Nassau)
2L are zone 2 units (Suffolk)
Re: Troop L ?
Nawton!, Wed Mar 10 2021, 09:26pm
9L should be dispatch
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Wed Mar 10 2021, 11:15pm
1L and 2L are the zones; that info is on RR under Troop L on the NYSP page
7L are usually non-NYS units operating on their channels/talkgroups. Sometimes these are outside agencies who are dispatched by the NYSP, such as maybe a small village PD or some local constables who don't have their own or county dispatch. It tends to vary by region, my experience is with Orange County where the 7F units are outside agencies. The Village of Kiryas Joel Public Safety, for example, are 7F50x units.
7N is NYS DEC ECO (Environmental Conservation Officer)
8N is NYS DEC Forest Rangers
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Thu Mar 11 2021, 01:29am
"L101-L109 - Traffic Incident Management Team" So those are the Lxxx units.
Is 9L dispatch at all troops or just Troop L? Like will GTR8000 hear a 9L listening to Troop F dispatch?
"7N is NYS DEC ECO" These guys have a tg on 800 Suffolk but are called on command band a lot when needed. I have seen them on Troop L tg as well. Do they not have their own dispatch?
"8N is NYS DEC Forest Rangers" Think I caught this one on MRRS Last summer
Going to look at my logs again.
Thanks guys for all the info. Clears things up.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Thu Mar 11 2021, 04:37am
NYSP and other state agencies like to do some weird stuff from time to time, and it's probably not as cut and dry as it used to be back in the day before there were so many specialized units and whatnot.
I have found that NYSP units that start with just the Troop letter are units that are not assigned to any particular zone, but rather troopwide. So L101 might be a TIMT unit that isn't tied to either zone/county, but rather just Troop L in general. I see something similar in Troop F with units like F11, F92, F102, etc. whereas the normal zone patrol cars all start with 1F, 2F, 3F.
If you hear any H units, those are "Headquarters" aka Albany (not to be confused with Troop G). These can be loaner units such as a new vehicle being tested that hasn't been assigned to the local Troop, or it can be actual NYSP units from Albany such as aviation units, command vehicles, or a big boss from upstate.
Dispatchers for Troop F would be 9F, for Troop K 9K, etc. The Troop letter is the key to most of these designations. The exception being 7N DEC ECO and 8N DEC Rangers, which are pretty much the same throughout the entire state for DEC units. That's why there is no Troop N.
Oh and the State Park Police, which are 8X with the X being the NYSP Troop in the region, e.g. 8F for Palisades region, 8K for Taconic region, and presumably 8L for Long Island region.
The RR NYS DEC page has info on the Region 1 VHF repeater. The ECO and Rangers can usually both be heard on the "Police" repeaters within each region, it's not necessarily for the ECO's only. They will also normally identify with just their # when on the DEC channels, dropping the 7N or 8N, so "117" on DEC VHF instead of "7N117" when on NYSP or other channels/talkgroups.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Thu Mar 25 2021, 09:00pm
Add another to the list...
7H-7xx units are the NYS Bureau of Narcotic Enforcement, which falls under NYS DOH. They are in the process of obtaining around two dozen IDs on various trunked systems around the state for their Harris multi-band portables.
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Sat Mar 27 2021, 12:03am
Thanks for the info. What system do you think they will get majority of the ID'S on? That's a lot of ID"s.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Sat Mar 27 2021, 04:59pm
You consider 24 IDs to be a lot? LOL!!! The NYSP has HUNDREDS of IDs on many trunked systems throughout the state, and the MTA has asked for over ONE THOUSAND IDs in recent months on systems in the metro area. Two dozen is a drop in the ocean compared to some agencies.
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Sun Mar 28 2021, 12:59pm
Lol yeah, after I posted I realized you said statewide.
Re: Troop L ?
GTR8000, Sun Mar 28 2021, 09:13pm
In a nutshell, after the NYSWN OpenSky project was scrapped in early 2009 (thankfully), the state decided against building out a massive statewide system/network, and instead focused on convincing counties and regions to build out system that could be linked, preferably on the P25 platform.
[link]
That's when the idea of the forming the various NYS Regional Interoperability Communications Consortiums was hatched.
[link]
As usual, it hasn't gone exactly to plan. The most cohesive implementation of the grand vision is in CNY, where you have the CNYICC ASTRO 25 system that consists of six counties sharing a core. Five of the cells are UHF, one is VHF, however as they are all part of a single system, talkgroups can roam across RF bands with no problem. There are other smaller examples such as Monroe/Ontario and Genesee/Orleans, however even those two systems encompassing four neighboring counties was never fully linked as was intended (they all share the same WACN).
Closer to home you have the state's Metro-25 system, which started out life as the Metro-21 EDACS system before Harris converted it to P25, and now the MTA's Harris system, aka the MRRS, which is integrated with the Metro-25 system.
Although the P25 ISSI standard makes it relatively straightforward to interconnect P25 systems, there hasn't been much of that to speak of, even amongst neighboring counties. The link between Suffolk's ASTRO 25 system and East Hampton's ASTRO 25 system is one example of them actually getting it right.
In any event, all of the various P25 systems on different bands throughout the state has caused some state agencies to purchase multi-band radios, and to request a block of IDs on as many systems as reasonably possible within their operational areas. No surprise that in many cases, Harris has been the manufacturer of choice (in particular for the portables), as NYS is historically a GE state (and the many subsequent companies that followed GE up to present day L3Harris). The State Police have started to install EFJ/Kenwood Viking VM7000 multi-band mobiles in most troops.
The amount of IDs the agencies have been allocated on each system varies, of course. Smaller agencies might need only 20 or so, while larger agencies like the NYSP have hundreds of IDs on many systems. Agencies like the Park Police (technically now part of the NYSP although so far still operated as a separate agency) and DEC are somewhere in the middle.
Re: Troop L ?
Dave3825us, Tue Sep 14 2021, 01:44pm
Just caught traffic advising Troop L troopers that state trooper towers in zone 2 will be down and advised troopers to use the "Suffolk County " on their portables for communications..