User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
w2lie, Tue Apr 19 2011, 12:43pm

This thread is a split from the "New NCPD System OBSERVATIONS" Thread located here: [link]


Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
Vader1995, Fri Apr 08 2011, 11:16am

Encryption is unnecessary and overkill. They're over complicating the system and spending a ridiculous, unnecessary sum of money to do this. Plus, NCPD is a big job - radios will get lost and stolen, and each time this happens, they have to rekey the system in order to even keep the encryption secure. This can be done with OTAR - but WTF??? If I was a cop, I'd be super annoyed at having ANOTHER task to worry about.

As a scanning enthusiast, the notion of encryption is a real kick in the nuts. They're not protecting the president - encryption is not needed, honestly. Perfect example of uneducated communications decision in the wake of 9/11. Everyone is so obsessed with "interoperability" and improving communications, that they're now choosing radios that overshoot that purpose....

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
Brendon, Thu Apr 14 2011, 12:04am

They wouldn't have to rekey the system. They could just make that radio identifier invalid so that it wouldn't be able to listen in on the system anymore. (That's something that can already be done)

The radio system won't affect interoperability at all. If anything, interoperability is easier since the system includes SCPD freqs along with other agencies using multiple radio zones. The only thing that is changing is that people and criminals won't be able to buff out jobs, like the retired NYPD Sgt who yelled 'gun' and got a PO shot.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
PFD Mike, Thu Apr 14 2011, 05:26am

I do not see they need for encryption on the precinct level communications. There are operations that should be encrypted, however encryption across the board is not the answer.

Being able to monitor the PD assignments has advantages for everyone.

Fire fighters hearing a call for a fire, aided case, auto accidents, etc.

Off duty cops (that's right off duty cops) I know a few that have scanners and they listen to them off duty. Not exactly my idea of being off duty, but that's their decision.

Towing companies can have a faster response time to get the road cleared of vehicles.

Other police agencies can keep are ear on what is going on.

Sure there are situations and operations that could probably benefit from encryption, but blanket encryption throughout their entire system seems a little too much.



Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
tommyscan, Thu Apr 14 2011, 04:55pm

I strongly agree mike

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
Brendon, Fri Apr 15 2011, 12:20am

I agree that it will hurt FD response times a bit, since PD usually has the call read out before Firecom even gets it. It also does hurt in the times people listening on their scanners have helped capture suspects on the run. I believe one person got a civilian award for that last year. It's also entertaining, but I still think their plan is for blanket encryption rather then just encrypting SOD/TAC/Detective channels.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
shkessler, Fri Apr 15 2011, 11:17pm

Brendon-- yeah civilians could help, but to be honest they are breaking the law by doing that. You are not allowed to use a police scanner to interfere in anyway.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
ipfd320, Sat Apr 16 2011, 04:06pm

find me that law---its called the civilian act---this to me is worth a friendly non-heated debate over.If someone can post the law shkessler is talking about please feel free

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
tommyscan, Sat Apr 16 2011, 04:53pm

The law was posted on the previous nov2 site which unfortunately recently closed dave was great on keeping us up to date on the true laws of scanner-land.although I agree more than 1 pd/state person has been aided or even had their life saved by good scanner listeners, too many of us-meaning citizens as a whole- have showed law enforcement,how irresponsible we can be listening and tried to buff calls putting them in grave danger as witnessed not too long ago here on long island!!This adds to their desire to encrypt EVERYTHING to take that element away.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
LI_Scan_Guy, Sat Apr 16 2011, 05:08pm

In Jeopardy of pulling this thread WAY off topic, this might be what law is being referred to in the above statements:

New York Penal - Article 35 - (35.00 - 35.30) Defense of Justification [link]
* New York Penal - Article 35 - Defense of Justification
Section 35.00 Justification; a defense. 35.05 Justification; generally. 35.10 Justification; use of physical force generally. 35.15 Justification; use of physical force in defense of a...
* New York Penal - § 35.00 - Justification; a Defense
In any prosecution for an offense, justification, as defined in sections 35.05 through 35.30, is a defense.
* New York Penal - § 35.05 - Justification; Generally
Unless otherwise limited by the ensuing provisions of this article defining justifiable use of physical force, conduct which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable...
* New York Penal - § 35.10 - Justification; Use of Physical Force Generally
The use of physical force upon another person which would otherwise constitute an offense is justifiable and not criminal under any of the following circumstances:...
* New York Penal - § 35.15 - Justification; Use of Physical Force in Defense of a Person
1. A person may, subject to the provisions of subdivision two, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent he or she...
* New York Penal - § 35.20 - Justification; Use of Physical Force in Defense of Premises and in Defense of a Person in the Course of Burglary
1. Any person may use physical force upon another person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what...
* New York Penal - § 35.25 - Justification; Use of Physical Force to Prevent or Terminate Larceny or Criminal Mischief
A person may use physical force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to the extent that he or she reasonably believes...
* New York Penal - § 35.27 - Justification; Use of Physical Force in Resisting Arrest Prohibited
A person may not use physical force to resist an arrest, whether authorized or unauthorized, which is being effected or attempted by a police officer...
* New York Penal - § 35.30 - Justification; Use of Physical Force in Making an Arrest or in Preventing an Escape
1. A police officer or a peace officer, in the course of effecting or attempting to effect an arrest, or of preventing or attempting to...


I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV. I'm not reading this because it is "Lawyers Language" and I can't understand half of it.


Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
ipfd320, Sat Apr 16 2011, 09:24pm

thanks scan guy i c you did a bit of research on this----the only thing i see missing is the use of a scanner to interfere in any way as sh kessler posted

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
BobLandau, Sun Apr 17 2011, 02:14am

The law he is probably referring to is "Obstructing Governmental Administration". While it does not specifically mention scanners, it is a "catch-all" for any interference.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
shkessler, Mon Apr 18 2011, 12:23pm

Mind this post, but I'll elaborate. I don't know the exact law, but I know someone who assisted in apprehending a subject that was suspected to have bombs on the Atlantic Beach Bridge years ago. He was taken back to the station house for questioning and was told to never do that again.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
LI_Scan_Guy, Mon Apr 18 2011, 01:18pm

Well Duh! The "Good Samaritan" became a liability while doing that. Unless directed by the PD Directly - no one should ever take the law in their own hands and try and save the day.

PS - Can we get this thread split so we can discuss this outside of the "NCPD Observations?"

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
w2lie, Mon Apr 18 2011, 02:31pm

LI_Scan_Guy wrote ...
PS - Can we get this thread split so we can discuss this outside of the "NCPD Observations?"


Thread split complete.

Please continue your NCPD Encryption conversation on this thread.   Thanks


Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
nh5x, Tue Apr 26 2011, 11:10pm

I can't see how Encryption is even legally allowed, isn't this technically eroding the citizen's rights by removing their ability to monitor the police that their tax dollars give jobs? I'm going to do a ton of research into the constitutional legality of this. I'm hoping for a court case that will challenge this.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
Brendon, Thu Jun 09 2011, 01:32am

nh5x wrote ...

I can't see how Encryption is even legally allowed, isn't this technically eroding the citizen's rights by removing their ability to monitor the police that their tax dollars give jobs? I'm going to do a ton of research into the constitutional legality of this. I'm hoping for a court case that will challenge this.


In short, no, because it isn't removing the ability to monitor the police at all. You can still get everything you need to know from all the statistic sheets they release and FOIL's.

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
kmilcar78, Mon Jan 07 2019, 09:59pm

Quick question in the future the Nassau County PD Frequencies will be come in the future?


Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
LIScanner101, Thu Jan 24 2019, 10:41pm

kmilcar78 wrote ...

Quick question in the future the Nassau County PD Frequencies will be come in the future?



How would anyone know the answer to that question?

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
kmilcar78, Thu Feb 14 2019, 09:41pm

I have a question when is the nassau county police p25 500mhz is ganna be on the air again so we can here them?



Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
Dave3825us, Fri Feb 15 2019, 12:38pm

Nassau decided to totally screw the public. They are encrypted. End of story. They feel that their residents, who pay their salaries, do not even deserve to listen to dispatch channels. They could have set up the system to allow it, but chose not too.

So NO Nassau is not coming back..

Re: User Feedback on NCPD Encryption
ipfd320, Sat Feb 16 2019, 04:51pm

Face it its Happening All Across the Country--They Keeep Using the 911 Garbage to Sell a System --Transparency is No More--Just Wait Eventually All Fire Comms will Follow Suit

We as People are to Stupid to Not to Stand Up and Fight This--We Let This Happen and Didnt Get enough People involved to Try and Wart this Off

I See Alot of Complaints Across Alot of Forums that Phone Streaming and Live Feeds are to Blame in This Action i Personally dont see it that Way

Just Another CASH COW for APCO & Motorola

Its a Shame that it has to Come About this Way--ive been scanning since the age of 12 thats 45 years of listening--Im Down South Now and all thats Listenable is fire tone out dispatched once and then to an encrypted freq / there is the Ocasional Freight Train Comms--Nothing worth talking about--so yah down in my area scanning is pretty much dead