Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Sun Nov 01 2020, 06:32pm

Here is the layout for Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups, Does anybody have the TGID's for all of the new TG's?
fres_responder_apx_template_2020.pdf




Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Mon Nov 02 2020, 12:21pm

Some new fd related tg's were added to the db a few weeks ago under County Fire Talkgroups. Not sure if you saw them or not? [link]

I have had all the new tg's entered into Unitrunker and have not seen any activity as of yet. Maybe now that the chart you posted is circulating, maybe we will start seeing some activity on these tg's. I know a few weeks ago fres ops 2 tg 165 was carrying a good amount of Huntington traffic.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Tue Nov 03 2020, 01:18am

I'm still trying to pull some strings with my contacts at FRES to get the TGID's..... I did hear some Huntington traffic late last week on TG 10051 while running "discovery"

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
PFD Mike, Sun Nov 08 2020, 09:08pm

Do you know if the firegound channels are going to be on the system or simplex? Any idea when they will be going over to this?

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Wed Nov 11 2020, 08:38pm

Ok, so I have all of the new TG's and all of the Control Channels for the Sites, Including Pt. Jeff, Montauk and Easthampton. There are a total of 6 County Sites. I just have to figure a way of easily sharing them when I have some time. All of the "Township" TG's are on the 700mhz simulcast system with the exception of Huntington 1 & Huntington 2 which is on the 800mhz simulcast system. Paging East & West are also on the 700mhz simulcast system, I don't know yet if those two systems are going to be linked or not, I guess time will tell.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Thu Nov 12 2020, 12:35pm

@mikey224

How do you have the info? On paper? If so, and you don't have a scanner/copier, you could take a pic with your cell and upload that here via the "Attach file / image"or to a pic sharing site like [link] and then just share the link. You do not need an account with imgbb.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
GTR8000, Thu Nov 12 2020, 08:02pm

mikey224 wrote ...

I don't know yet if those two systems are going to be linked or not, I guess time will tell.

What "two systems" are you referring to? Are you referring to the 700 MHz and 800 MHz simulcast cells of the P25 system? If so, they are both part of one system, 3CE, and are intrinsically "linked" since they share the same core and zone controller. An ASTRO 25 system (Motorola's P25 brand name) doesn't care what bands the repeaters are on, all sites/simulcast cells are considered a single system, and the roaming of talkgroups between those sites is seamless, unless the system admin specifically disallows resources to roam across sites/cells/bands.

I know I sound nit picky, but I feel that it's important to clarify how these P25 systems with multiple sites/bands work, so that everyone has a better understanding of what they're dealing with when monitoring/tracking this stuff.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Sat Nov 14 2020, 03:22pm

Fireground channels should be simplex, not operating through the tower repeater system.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
PFD Mike, Sat Nov 14 2020, 08:59pm

Are the Suffolk FD's still going to operate on lowband or is this going to be where the County is going?

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Sun Nov 15 2020, 03:39pm

Almost every dept in Suffolk has been operating on their own UHF frequency, I don't know of any that are still strictly using low band. The plan was or is that as of Jan 1, 2021 FRES will not be activating any Dept on Low Band 46.46.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Tue Nov 17 2020, 03:42am

PFD Mike

To my knowledge, FRES is hoping to pull the plug on low band by end of year. After low band is pulled, you'll have to communicate w/FRES you'll have to on the 700/800 system.

FRES activations will be on UHF Paging West and East. I don't think East is being used yet, due to some issues with Nassau County. UHF Paging West is being used for depts that want to be activated on it. Some of the Vol Amb agencies will continue to be activated by FRES on Medcom 1 freq 155.280

Most depts have their own dispatch, or use a contracted neighboring FD or a township dispatch or PD for services. Most activate and operate on their own UHF. Most depts use FRES for an initial activation only if the call comes through 911/FRES. After that, the local dispatcher takes over.

FRES doesn't dispatch too many agencies 100%. The exception is a few Ems agencies in the 3rd & 5th Div, Fire Island FD's and some FD's in the 5th and 6th Divisions.

FRES will be asking depts to simulcast activations with low band 46.46 (if they're capable) so FRES knows they received the call. Otherwise, I think FRES will request depts to verbally acknowledge the call on the 700/800 system. Eventually, I heard that FRES will keep low band 46.46 active, for receiving purposes only for call confirmation for those depts who still simulcast their activations over low band.

New pagers scan 2 freqs at once. Most depts have their own & FRES scanning. Some depts will do a UHF to UHF cross band with FRES, but it's not really necessary.





Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
PFD Mike, Tue Nov 17 2020, 07:28pm

Thanks Mikey & Radiotech for your replies

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Fri Nov 27 2020, 03:21pm

Here are the new FRES Talkgroups on the 700mhz System:

Babylon 1 10001 Brookhaven 1 10201
Babylon 2 10003 Brookhaven 2 10203
Babylon 3 10005 Brookhaven 3 10205
Babylon 4 10007 Brookhaven 4 10207
Huntington 3 10055 Brookhaven 5 10209
Huntington 4 10057 Brookhaven 6 10211
Huntington 5 10059 Brookhaven 7 10213
Islip 1 10101 Brookhaven 8 10215
Islip 2 10103 Brookhaven 9 10217
Islip 3 10105 Brookhaven 10 10219
Islip 4 10107 Fire Island 1 10251
Islip 5 10109 Riverhead 1 10301
Smithtown 1 10151 Riverhead 2 10303
Smithtown 2 10153 Southold 1 10351
Smithtown 3 10155 Southold 2 10353
Southampton 1 10401 Southold 3 10355
Southampton 2 10403 Easthampton 1 10451
Southampton 3 10405 Easthampton 2 10053
Southampton 4 10407

Huntington 1 10051 (800mhz system)
Huntington 2 10053 (800mhz system)

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Luke, Wed Dec 02 2020, 02:45am

Thank you for the list of FRES TG's. These TG's have not been added to the RR database yet if anyone knows an admin there.... wink, wink

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Wed Dec 02 2020, 01:42pm

Luke wrote ...

Thank you for the list of FRES TG's. These TG's have not been added to the RR database yet if anyone knows an admin there.... wink, wink

Pretty sure they need to active and confirmed to be added to the db. But either way, big thanks to mikey224 for posting. A good amount did affiliate in my DSDPlus groups file.


Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
GTR8000, Wed Dec 02 2020, 09:46pm

Luke wrote ...

Thank you for the list of FRES TG's. These TG's have not been added to the RR database yet if anyone knows an admin there.... wink, wink

Anything that needs to be added to the RRDB should be submitted directly to the system on the RR site, not through a forum post.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
kb2kmm, Fri Dec 04 2020, 08:15pm

FYI, I heard Eatons Neck FD ambulance on a call last night. They were using the Huntington 1 10051 (800mhz system) TG for comms with FRES after getting paged out by FRES on UHF Paging West. So that one is active. I submitted to the RRDB.

On another note. Who are these 7 Willy units? Keep hearing them on P25 800 system TG 30001. No other units heard. From what I've monitored they only operate in the immediate Riverhead area. They are, at times, responding to calls that Riverhead EMS (RVAC) is handling, such as MVA's. Heard them handling a transport from an address in Baiting Hollow. Another time mentioned BLS transport to Peconic Bay Medical Center.

Is RVAC contracting runs to a private EMS company? Or does Peconic Bay Medical have their own EMS unit? 7 Willy, who are you?

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Sat Dec 05 2020, 02:14pm

Been hearing Eatons Neck on 10051 (Hunt 1) for a while on P25 800 Simulcast site 4 . Same rid's have been seen on tg 10053 (Hunt 2) also.


Have heard the following on tg 167 (FRES Ops 3) P25 800 Simulcast site 4 on and off for a few months now.
Mastic
Gordon Heights
East Moriches
Westhampton Beach.
Sound Beach
Eastport

Nov 15th Huntington units were heard on tg 165 (FRES OPS-2) P25 800 Simulcast site 4

Oct 4th Eatons Neck was on tg 163 (FRES Ops) P25 800 Simulcast site 4 and during the summer would also hear USCG during water related activity.

I have asked about Willie units and don't recall anyone having an answer. They are mainly on tg 30001 but same rid's have been seen on tg 30003

Also not sure why 2 sided conversations on P25 800 Simulcast site 4 for Troop L are only using 1 radio id lately. Used to see many different ids and one that seemed to be the dispatcher but now its just the one that's the dispatcher.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Sun Dec 06 2020, 01:26am

Huntington 1 and 2 on the new system are active, prob for testing. FRES Ops 3 has been used for dispatching with Mastic, Eastport and maybe some others for a while now. I assume they’ll switch to their township talkgroups once those go live.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Sun Dec 06 2020, 01:56pm

Not sure why Westhampton Beach fd units would be heard on a Huntington area talk group, but right now, as we speak, tg 167 and 10051 seem
to be patched and I am hearing 7-8-x Westhampton Beach units on both tg's.



Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Sun Dec 06 2020, 07:11pm

Yes, heard the same as well.... There's been a lot of testing going on on the Huntington 1 TG this past week. Time will tell how the usage of the new Talkgroups play out in the new year. Also FRES has been Toning out more Departments on UHF West over the past week.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Mon Dec 07 2020, 09:55pm

Any activity on UHF Paging East? Last I heard they were having interference issues with Nassau County Firecom sharing the same freq for paging

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
nyscan00, Mon Dec 07 2020, 10:41pm

Nothing on paging East. The county is in process of licensing a new frequency to replace the 453.875. Too much interference with Nassau co and CT

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Tue Dec 08 2020, 08:01pm

Awesome. So now, all the pagers and radios have to be re-programmed. This is why the freq needs to be tested for a while before being placed into service. I'm very surprised the FCC licensed Suffolk to this freq knowing Nassau was on it using multiple high powered transmitters on the same freq for the same purpose.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Tue Dec 08 2020, 10:25pm

RADIOTECH wrote ...

Awesome. So now, all the pagers and radios have to be re-programmed. This is why the freq needs to be tested for a while before being placed into service.


Lol measure twice, cut once. Lol


Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
GTR8000, Wed Dec 09 2020, 06:43am

The blame goes to the frequency coordinator, not the FCC. They will essentially grant a license to just about anything a coordinator signs off on, provided the application follows all applicable FCC rules.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Wed Dec 09 2020, 03:12pm

Either way, it's a pretty big error.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
defiant154, Wed Dec 09 2020, 11:37pm

I found along with the 453.875 , 463.1875 on the license , Any thoughts on this frequency ?


Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
EastIslipFD161, Tue Feb 09 2021, 07:39pm

Does anyone have any knowledge of the ID's for the F/G talkgroups? I've looked everywhere and haven't had any luck.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Tue Feb 09 2021, 08:11pm

What id's? The radio id's or talk group id's? The tg id's are listed in the radio reference database.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
EastIslipFD161, Tue Feb 09 2021, 08:43pm

The tg id's. RR does not have the f/g, only division talk groups

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Tue Feb 09 2021, 09:16pm

Not sure . All I know for 3rd division depts is whats listed below. They are labeled as tac and not dispatch so maybe 3rd division has 5 f/g talk groups?


10101 FD Islip 1 Islip 1 Fire-Tac
10103 FD Islip 2 Islip 2 Fire-Tac
10105 FD Islip 3 Islip 3 Fire-Tac
10107 FD Islip 4 Islip 4 Fire-Tac
10109 FD Islip 5 Islip 5 Fire-Tac

According to the template,
Fire West 1 will be Huntington Babylon and Islip.
Fire Central 2 will be Smithtown Brookhaven and Fire Island
Fire East 3 will be Riverhead Southold East Hampton South Hampton
Fire ground 4 West will be 5 tg's for the West and 5 for the East. No mention about and thing for central

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
EastIslipFD161, Tue Feb 09 2021, 10:54pm

There are 5 east and west FG talk groups. Use the template at beginning of discussion for reference

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
EastIslipFD161, Tue Feb 09 2021, 10:57pm

Zone 4 is what I’m referring to

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Wed Feb 10 2021, 12:11am

When you say "Fireground" are you referring to the County List that I posted in the excel format? If so the "Fireground" Channels are Simplex not P25 so there will be no Talkgroup ID'S for them. These are them:
FG West 1 855.4875
FG West 2 857.0625
FG West 3 857.2125
FG West 4 857.7125
FG West 5 858.0625
FG East 1 854.9625
FG East 2 855.2375
FG East 3 856.2625
FG East 4 856.7125
FG East 5 859.2125

1. Keep in mind this is all new and is not fully in use and may never be in full use as many Dept's are established in the current Communication setup. This along with the 700mhz was a plan rolled out by FRES, the Chief's Council and Communication committee to modernize and have the capability to apply use in the future.

2. The Excel Template is for reference of the programming of the Zones/Channels in the APX8000 radio, it is just a reference chart for the user....

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Mon Feb 15 2021, 02:53pm

Looks like I will have to lock out 223 dpl on FG West 4 857.7125. I was receiving Suffolk Police 6th Precinct Simulcast from TRS on that freq.



Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Mon Feb 15 2021, 03:15pm

Suffolk 800mhz Firegrounds are simplex (non-repeated)

FRES has assigned each dept a primary FG to use if they wish, my dept was assigned FG West 1

FRES has spread out the depts/FG as to not interfere with each other.

As the 800mhz portables are very expensive, most depts have or will opt to continue to use their own UHF frequencies for their Ops and FG. You might see these FG used on large scale mutual aid incidents.

My dept has opted to continue to use our own UHF for Pagings/Ops/FG. The UHF only APX4000 are less expensive. The avaerage FF has no need for a APX8000 portable which costs around 8K.

Some of our mutual aid rigs have (1) APX8000 portable for 800mhz use. Some newer rigs/all chiefs and purchasing going forward, we've opted to install the APX8500 mobile with UHF & 800mhz capabilities.



Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Mon Feb 15 2021, 04:45pm

RADIOTECH wrote ...

Suffolk 800mhz Firegrounds are simplex (non-repeated)

Correct. But I still need to lock out 223 dpl as I pick up the 6th pct on 857.7125 and they use 223 dpl




Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
innokuous1, Tue Feb 16 2021, 10:36pm

All of the simplex FG channels use a PL of 156.7

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Fri Mar 12 2021, 02:14pm

FRES Paging East 10503 is active at the moment on site 3. Seems to have started yesterday based on trunking recorder.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
defiant154, Tue Mar 23 2021, 07:08pm

I have been picking up activity on the 463.1875 frequency last couple of days. Sounded like Riverhead FDs tones being simulcast. Anyone have more info?

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Wed Mar 24 2021, 11:26am

I am pretty sure 463.1875 is a National Interoperability freq.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
GTR8000, Wed Mar 24 2021, 10:49pm

Dave3825us wrote ...

I am pretty sure 463.1875 is a National Interoperability freq.

It is not, the UCALL/TAC frequencies are in the 453 range.

[link]

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
defiant154, Thu Mar 25 2021, 12:57am

There is a EMS TAC channel for that frequency in the interoperability section. I also found this frequency on the county license (call sign WQYX985) with the original 453.8750 frequency (that was going to be Paging East.) I stuck it in my 1 scanner and it's been silent until the last couple of days. Thought maybe someone knew something about it.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
defiant154, Thu Mar 25 2021, 01:32am

Also found it here:
[link] .
I don't know could be the new paging east frequency, or not. The buildout information is current and supposed to finish by 09/21/21.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
Dave3825us, Thu Mar 25 2021, 01:46am

[quote]
Dave3825us wrote ...

I am pretty sure 463.1875 is a National Interoperability freq.

It is not, the UCALL/TAC frequencies are in the 453 range.

[link]
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My bad. 463.1875 is a Uhf Med Freg, under Public Safety Common listed on the National Interop's page.





I ran the search and only caught National Interop's on the end.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Thu Mar 25 2021, 02:12am

453.875 is in use by Nassau County Firecom for paging and occasionally depending on weather conditions and time of day an out of state signal makes it way here. It is also Suffolk FRES Paging East, but not in use due to Nassau. Rumor has it FRES is in the process of obtaining another frequency to replace this one. As far as 463.1875, I do not have any info on....

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Fri Mar 26 2021, 02:34am

I think if FRES put PL's on their 2 UHF paging freqs it would make a world of difference.

I know Motorola doesn't like having a PL on paging freqs, but the majority of agencies have a PL - as a lot of agencies use their paging freq also as Ops/Dispatch.

According to a FRES source, when they "officially" sign off on the paging system from Motorola, they will prob add PL's, so users monitoring FRES Paging won't hear outside interference - which we currently do on West (not too bad) and more so on East from Nassau Firecom. I don't think they necessarily need a new East freq, a PL would do the trick. They should be spread out enough to avoid serious interference - it's about 30 miles from the Nassau border to the East paging zone.



Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
EastIslipFD161, Mon Mar 29 2021, 05:54pm

CTCSS 94.8 for UHF FRES WEST

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Tue Mar 30 2021, 01:49am

Nice catch EIFD!! They must have finally added one recently

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
mikey224, Tue Mar 30 2021, 02:37am

The PL tone is great for us who monitor the frequency and for the FRES dispatchers on the RX side of the FRES console but offers no benefit to the 1000’s of Minitor VI pagers throughout the county as the CPS does not offer an option to add a PL Tone to the Selective Call frequency....

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
RADIOTECH, Tue Mar 30 2021, 04:33am

Mikey, true. But FRES doesn’t monitor their uhf paging, as there’s nothing to monitor. They’re the only ones transmitting alarm activations over it. And the minitor pagers never supported PL or DCS. Odd, but they never did.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
nyscan00, Tue Mar 30 2021, 08:53pm

The PL tone will also be very useful for all the FD’s that that have fres west set up in their consoles. The constant CT med traffic and intermittent static makes it very annoying to monitor.

Re: Suffolk FRES P25 Talkgroups
GTR8000, Wed Mar 31 2021, 01:20am

A pager on your hip is much less likely to pick up a distant station, especially on UHF, than a fixed base station or even a mobile radio. Unication is always an option if you want to have a pager with PL capability. If you don't need trunking decoding, the G1 is a more affordable option that is capable of analog QCII decoding with a PL/DPL on the channel.